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Old July 10th, 2018, 07:07 AM   #11
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Here we go again! The Russians are coming! At least according to liberal warhawks trying to get WWIII started before Russia receives any more positive PR from hosting the World Cup!

Let's review from the last time the Novichok story was in the news, cause I want to put out some information out that's disappeared since the last novichok story told us all about it, and ask a few questions:

1.Novichok refers to a class of chemical agents/NOT a specific drug, that were being developed in the former Soviet Union for two apparent purposes: a hedge that would not be covered by a looming chemical weapons ban treaty at the time.

2.The only known chemical weapons lab and production facility in the Soviet Union that was working on novichoks was in Uzbekistan/NOT in Russia! In 1999, a US defense team went to the abandoned lab in Uzbekistan to try to decontaminate it and a region of the Aral Desert reported by a former Soviet defector working on the project to have been used for testing these agents. Did Russian chemists and other experts take compounds and notes with them back to Russia to carry on Novichok research? Maybe! But, where has Novichok been since the last confirmed reports of novichok testing in 1992 and last year, when the British Defense Dept declared that former Russian spy- Sergei Skripal and his daughter were poisoned by Novichoks, and that they have (still undisclosed) proof that the Russian Government carried out the attack.

So, even if these poisoning cases are Novichok and not food poisoning or drug-related issues, where has novichok been over the decades that shows no activity on any timeline?

3. The Skripals are still alive! In case anyone has forgotten, the so called "deadliest chemical agents in the world" did not kill either of the Skripals...which reminds me of the claimed 'poison gas attack' in Gouta, Syria which the British Government claimed to have proof was carried out by the Syrian Government, but HAS BEEN RECENTLY REVEALED TO BE A FRAUD, CARRIED OUT BY THE SO CALLED WHITE HELMETS AND THEIR ALLIES! Does anyone in the comfortable middle of political opinion ever ask why governments which have been proven to have lied in the recent past should be trusted today and have their word taken at face value without question....as every liberal to centrist house organ around the world is doing today?

4. And about the Skripals: Sergei Skripal was sitting in a Russian prison cell for several years before he was traded in a spy swap with the US...why didn't they kill him then before he had a chance to leave the country? But the first question is more pertinent: how is he still alive?

5. This latest novichok claim regarding these two shiftless British drifters, declares that they may have accidentally come across the deadly novichok agents from the Skripal poisonings, yet according to the original story and the objections that some chemical experts are raising today: there's no way these agents would survive degradation more than four months after being created and put together.
I am sure we are all warmed to see Russia so strongly defended by "real Americans" such as yourself.
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Old July 10th, 2018, 08:12 AM   #12
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I am sure we are all warmed to see Russia so strongly defended by "real Americans" such as yourself.
In case you blew right past my "location: Canada" posted right up front, my bio makes it clear I'm a dual citizen who's lived most of my life (aside from my 20's) in Canada.

Now then, if you're not going to bother addressing the issue and are just another yapping mutt in this local liberal pack that doesn't read anything and just repeats whatever the pack is churning out, I'll save my time and put you on block right now and save myself the bother.
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Here we go again! The Russians are coming! At least according to liberal warhawks trying to get WWIII started before Russia receives any more positive PR from hosting the World Cup!

Let's review from the last time the Novichok story was in the news, cause I want to put out some information out that's disappeared since the last novichok story told us all about it, and ask a few questions:

1.Novichok refers to a class of chemical agents/NOT a specific drug, that were being developed in the former Soviet Union for two apparent purposes: a hedge that would not be covered by a looming chemical weapons ban treaty at the time.

2.The only known chemical weapons lab and production facility in the Soviet Union that was working on novichoks was in Uzbekistan/NOT in Russia! In 1999, a US defense team went to the abandoned lab in Uzbekistan to try to decontaminate it and a region of the Aral Desert reported by a former Soviet defector working on the project to have been used for testing these agents. Did Russian chemists and other experts take compounds and notes with them back to Russia to carry on Novichok research? Maybe! But, where has Novichok been since the last confirmed reports of novichok testing in 1992 and last year, when the British Defense Dept declared that former Russian spy- Sergei Skripal and his daughter were poisoned by Novichoks, and that they have (still undisclosed) proof that the Russian Government carried out the attack.

So, even if these poisoning cases are Novichok and not food poisoning or drug-related issues, where has novichok been over the decades that shows no activity on any timeline?

3. The Skripals are still alive! In case anyone has forgotten, the so called "deadliest chemical agents in the world" did not kill either of the Skripals...which reminds me of the claimed 'poison gas attack' in Gouta, Syria which the British Government claimed to have proof was carried out by the Syrian Government, but HAS BEEN RECENTLY REVEALED TO BE A FRAUD, CARRIED OUT BY THE SO CALLED WHITE HELMETS AND THEIR ALLIES! Does anyone in the comfortable middle of political opinion ever ask why governments which have been proven to have lied in the recent past should be trusted today and have their word taken at face value without question....as every liberal to centrist house organ around the world is doing today?

4. And about the Skripals: Sergei Skripal was sitting in a Russian prison cell for several years before he was traded in a spy swap with the US...why didn't they kill him then before he had a chance to leave the country? But the first question is more pertinent: how is he still alive?

5. This latest novichok claim regarding these two shiftless British drifters, declares that they may have accidentally come across the deadly novichok agents from the Skripal poisonings, yet according to the original story and the objections that some chemical experts are raising today: there's no way these agents would survive degradation more than four months after being created and put together.
So, what do you think happened?
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Old July 10th, 2018, 08:25 AM   #14
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So, what do you think happened?
Why isn't somebody asking when the evidence comes in that could make an informed choice?
If I want to venture into conspiracy land, my first question is: how is this Novichok story so close to Britain's main chemical weapons lab at Porton Down? Any connnection between the two?
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In case you blew right past my "location: Canada" posted right up front, my bio makes it clear I'm a dual citizen who's lived most of my life (aside from my 20's) in Canada.
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so I was right, you are an american
then why the song and dance?

What issue are you talking about?

I thought our post was simply homage to Putin.
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Why isn't somebody asking when the evidence comes in that could make an informed choice?
If I want to venture into conspiracy land, my first question is: how is this Novichok story so close to Britain's main chemical weapons lab at Porton Down? Any connnection between the two?
Accepted - and I grant that is 'odd', but sincerely, what would be the 'game plan' of someone else doing this?
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Accepted - and I grant that is 'odd', but sincerely, what would be the 'game plan' of someone else doing this?
Back when the ex-spy was poisoned, the BBC reported that the particular chemical signature of the nerve agent identified it as Russian.
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