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Old July 11th, 2018, 03:36 PM   #11
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Nah, i think it is spot on.
Then defend it's validity, it's accuracy. Some here seem to think it's a load of bullshit. You just going to flame-bait or is this something you intend to discuss?
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After reading that one of the libs here was making an issue of the poster not wanting to discuss the issue I noted that none of the posts from the lefties actually tried to do anything but troll and bash the poster with insults etc. Sorry guys but being full of shit seems to be your collective long suit.
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After reading that one of the libs here was making an issue of the poster not wanting to discuss the issue I noted that none of the posts from the lefties actually tried to do anything but troll and bash the poster with insults etc. Sorry guys but being full of shit seems to be your collective long suit.
Feel free to defend the accuracy of the OP yourself. *shrug*
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After reading that one of the libs here was making an issue of the poster not wanting to discuss the issue I noted that none of the posts from the lefties actually tried to do anything but troll and bash the poster with insults etc. Sorry guys but being full of shit seems to be your collective long suit.
Multiple posters have asked Sabcat to explain the clickbait title.
Without surprise, no defense from Sabcat.

I'll happily discuss the issue further.
Let's look at the scum that Trump let go, shall we?
They've got a history of setting fires, threatening people and putting other people's lives at risk.
In June 1994, the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge manager notified Dwight Hammond that his permit to graze his cattle and grow hay on the refuge was revoked. Two months later, Hammond and his son Steven obstructed the completion of a refuge boundary fence intended to keep their cattle out of the refuge's protected marsh and wetland, prompting their arrest by federal agents. The fence was needed to stop the Hammonds' cattle from moving onto the refuge after the ranchers had repeatedly violated the terms of their special permit, which limited those times when they could move their cattle across refuge property.[12][15] Officials also reported that Dwight had made death threats against refuge managers in 1986, 1988, 1991, and 1994; and that Steven Hammond also made incendiary remarks against them.[11][12][15] Oregon's then-U.S. Representative, from Congressional District 2, Robert Freeman Smith, wrote a letter of protest to the United States Secretary of the Interior, Bruce Babbitt.[12] In 1999 Steven started a fire, intending to burn off juniper trees and sagebrush, but the fire escaped onto BLM land. The agency reminded him of the required burn permit and that if the fires continued, there would be legal consequences.[16]

Arson prosecutions
Both Dwight and Steven Hammond later set more fires, one in 2001 and one in 2006, that would lead to eventual convictions of arson on federal land:[17][18] The 2001 Hardie-Hammond fire began after hunters in the area witnessed the Hammonds illegally slaughtering a herd of deer.[19] Less than two hours later, a fire erupted, forcing the hunters to leave the area but also intending to conceal evidence of the deer herd slaughter.[20] Steven's nephew Dusty Hammond testified his uncle told him to "light the whole countryside on fire," and that he was "almost burned up in the fire," having to flee for his life.[16][21] The Hammonds claimed they started the fire to stop invasive plants from growing onto their grazing fields.[22] The 2006 Krumbo Butte fire started out as a wildfire, but several illegal backburns were set by the Hammonds with an intent of protecting their winter feed. The backfires were set under the cover of night, without warning the firefighters they knew were camped on the slopes above.[20][23] The fires threatened to trap four BLM firefighters. One of those later confronted Dwight Hammond at the fire scene after he had moved his crews to avoid the danger.[20][21] Two days later, Steven Hammond threatened to frame a BLM employee with arson if he didn't terminate the investigation.[22]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammond_arson_case

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Multiple posters have asked Sabcat to explain the clickbait title.
Without surprise, no defense from Sabcat.

I'll happily discuss the issue further.
Let's look at the scum that Trump let go, shall we?
They've got a history of setting fires, threatening people and putting other people's lives at risk.
In June 1994, the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge manager notified Dwight Hammond that his permit to graze his cattle and grow hay on the refuge was revoked. Two months later, Hammond and his son Steven obstructed the completion of a refuge boundary fence intended to keep their cattle out of the refuge's protected marsh and wetland, prompting their arrest by federal agents. The fence was needed to stop the Hammonds' cattle from moving onto the refuge after the ranchers had repeatedly violated the terms of their special permit, which limited those times when they could move their cattle across refuge property.[12][15] Officials also reported that Dwight had made death threats against refuge managers in 1986, 1988, 1991, and 1994; and that Steven Hammond also made incendiary remarks against them.[11][12][15] Oregon's then-U.S. Representative, from Congressional District 2, Robert Freeman Smith, wrote a letter of protest to the United States Secretary of the Interior, Bruce Babbitt.[12] In 1999 Steven started a fire, intending to burn off juniper trees and sagebrush, but the fire escaped onto BLM land. The agency reminded him of the required burn permit and that if the fires continued, there would be legal consequences.[16]

Arson prosecutions
Both Dwight and Steven Hammond later set more fires, one in 2001 and one in 2006, that would lead to eventual convictions of arson on federal land:[17][18] The 2001 Hardie-Hammond fire began after hunters in the area witnessed the Hammonds illegally slaughtering a herd of deer.[19] Less than two hours later, a fire erupted, forcing the hunters to leave the area but also intending to conceal evidence of the deer herd slaughter.[20] Steven's nephew Dusty Hammond testified his uncle told him to "light the whole countryside on fire," and that he was "almost burned up in the fire," having to flee for his life.[16][21] The Hammonds claimed they started the fire to stop invasive plants from growing onto their grazing fields.[22] The 2006 Krumbo Butte fire started out as a wildfire, but several illegal backburns were set by the Hammonds with an intent of protecting their winter feed. The backfires were set under the cover of night, without warning the firefighters they knew were camped on the slopes above.[20][23] The fires threatened to trap four BLM firefighters. One of those later confronted Dwight Hammond at the fire scene after he had moved his crews to avoid the danger.[20][21] Two days later, Steven Hammond threatened to frame a BLM employee with arson if he didn't terminate the investigation.[22]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammond_arson_case

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Nothing new there.
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Old July 11th, 2018, 07:51 PM   #17
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Multiple posters have asked Sabcat to explain the clickbait title.
Without surprise, no defense from Sabcat.

I'll happily discuss the issue further.
Let's look at the scum that Trump let go, shall we?
They've got a history of setting fires, threatening people and putting other people's lives at risk.
In June 1994, the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge manager notified Dwight Hammond that his permit to graze his cattle and grow hay on the refuge was revoked. Two months later, Hammond and his son Steven obstructed the completion of a refuge boundary fence intended to keep their cattle out of the refuge's protected marsh and wetland, prompting their arrest by federal agents. The fence was needed to stop the Hammonds' cattle from moving onto the refuge after the ranchers had repeatedly violated the terms of their special permit, which limited those times when they could move their cattle across refuge property.[12][15] Officials also reported that Dwight had made death threats against refuge managers in 1986, 1988, 1991, and 1994; and that Steven Hammond also made incendiary remarks against them.[11][12][15] Oregon's then-U.S. Representative, from Congressional District 2, Robert Freeman Smith, wrote a letter of protest to the United States Secretary of the Interior, Bruce Babbitt.[12] In 1999 Steven started a fire, intending to burn off juniper trees and sagebrush, but the fire escaped onto BLM land. The agency reminded him of the required burn permit and that if the fires continued, there would be legal consequences.[16]

Arson prosecutions
Both Dwight and Steven Hammond later set more fires, one in 2001 and one in 2006, that would lead to eventual convictions of arson on federal land:[17][18] The 2001 Hardie-Hammond fire began after hunters in the area witnessed the Hammonds illegally slaughtering a herd of deer.[19] Less than two hours later, a fire erupted, forcing the hunters to leave the area but also intending to conceal evidence of the deer herd slaughter.[20] Steven's nephew Dusty Hammond testified his uncle told him to "light the whole countryside on fire," and that he was "almost burned up in the fire," having to flee for his life.[16][21] The Hammonds claimed they started the fire to stop invasive plants from growing onto their grazing fields.[22] The 2006 Krumbo Butte fire started out as a wildfire, but several illegal backburns were set by the Hammonds with an intent of protecting their winter feed. The backfires were set under the cover of night, without warning the firefighters they knew were camped on the slopes above.[20][23] The fires threatened to trap four BLM firefighters. One of those later confronted Dwight Hammond at the fire scene after he had moved his crews to avoid the danger.[20][21] Two days later, Steven Hammond threatened to frame a BLM employee with arson if he didn't terminate the investigation.[22]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammond_arson_case

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You left out, or should I say Wikipedia left out some facts. It was very controversial. There was several charges, many of them they were found not guilty of. This was no easy arson case. At least one fire was absolutely set as a back fire by the Hammond brothers in an attempt to protect their winter feed. The first one, as you stated allegedly was set to cover up poaching, of which no evidence was ever found. The Hammond brothers claimed they were doing a prescribed burn to clear out invasive species, which is a common practice.

During the trial, the Hammond struck a deal. They were sentenced by the court. The prosecution did not like the sentence. After serving their original sentence, they were then dragged back into court to be sentenced again to more time. That is bullshit. That led to the seizing of the refuge office in burns Oregon, that the Bundy's, who seized said office, were found not guilty of all charges, and one federal agent, who shot Lavoy FInicum, is currently under indictment for false statements in relation to the shooting.

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Are you a Canadian bot too? You sure post like the other Canadian bot.

Snops is very biased.


Russian trolls. Accounts taken over if needs be. Obvious that this RNG is a Russian troll as virtually all of its postings are negative towards America. This other one seems the same as well. How to recognize Russian trolls, attack America through its government and stir dissension among the people.
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Then you simply do not know what you're talking about and just engaging in flame-baiting.


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Multiple posters have asked Sabcat to explain the clickbait title.
Without surprise, no defense from Sabcat.

I'll happily discuss the issue further.
Let's look at the scum that Trump let go, shall we?
They've got a history of setting fires, threatening people and putting other people's lives at risk.
In June 1994, the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge manager notified Dwight Hammond that his permit to graze his cattle and grow hay on the refuge was revoked. Two months later, Hammond and his son Steven obstructed the completion of a refuge boundary fence intended to keep their cattle out of the refuge's protected marsh and wetland, prompting their arrest by federal agents. The fence was needed to stop the Hammonds' cattle from moving onto the refuge after the ranchers had repeatedly violated the terms of their special permit, which limited those times when they could move their cattle across refuge property.[12][15] Officials also reported that Dwight had made death threats against refuge managers in 1986, 1988, 1991, and 1994; and that Steven Hammond also made incendiary remarks against them.[11][12][15] Oregon's then-U.S. Representative, from Congressional District 2, Robert Freeman Smith, wrote a letter of protest to the United States Secretary of the Interior, Bruce Babbitt.[12] In 1999 Steven started a fire, intending to burn off juniper trees and sagebrush, but the fire escaped onto BLM land. The agency reminded him of the required burn permit and that if the fires continued, there would be legal consequences.[16]

Arson prosecutions
Both Dwight and Steven Hammond later set more fires, one in 2001 and one in 2006, that would lead to eventual convictions of arson on federal land:[17][18] The 2001 Hardie-Hammond fire began after hunters in the area witnessed the Hammonds illegally slaughtering a herd of deer.[19] Less than two hours later, a fire erupted, forcing the hunters to leave the area but also intending to conceal evidence of the deer herd slaughter.[20] Steven's nephew Dusty Hammond testified his uncle told him to "light the whole countryside on fire," and that he was "almost burned up in the fire," having to flee for his life.[16][21] The Hammonds claimed they started the fire to stop invasive plants from growing onto their grazing fields.[22] The 2006 Krumbo Butte fire started out as a wildfire, but several illegal backburns were set by the Hammonds with an intent of protecting their winter feed. The backfires were set under the cover of night, without warning the firefighters they knew were camped on the slopes above.[20][23] The fires threatened to trap four BLM firefighters. One of those later confronted Dwight Hammond at the fire scene after he had moved his crews to avoid the danger.[20][21] Two days later, Steven Hammond threatened to frame a BLM employee with arson if he didn't terminate the investigation.[22]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammond_arson_case

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Um, no. holly did. I do not engage in discussions w/ that one. It is absolutely pointless.
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