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Old July 12th, 2018, 05:46 AM   #1
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I always knew..........

That there was something fishy about recycling. Having seen the literal mountains of "recyclables" in Kalifornia I'm somehow not too surprised at this.
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Yes, let us not try to recycle anything. Use up everything now. Turn the country into a garbage dump. Stop all innovation. Go back to the 1950’s.
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Yes, let us not try to recycle anything. Use up everything now. Turn the country into a garbage dump. Stop all innovation. Go back to the 1950s.
I'm convinced that although many of the RW conservatives would settle for going back to the 1950's what would REALLY give them all a chubby is going back to the 1850's.
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I'm convinced that although many of the RW conservatives would settle for going back to the 1950's what would REALLY give them all a chubby is going back to the 1850's.

More reinforcement of my signature line.

The post isn't to call for abolishment of recycling. It's to call for fixing the problem. Recycling is good, abuses of it and cover ups to keep it status quo aren't.
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It would cost more but these types of jobs should be centered in economically depressed areas of the US.

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Old July 12th, 2018, 08:11 AM   #6
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That there was something fishy about recycling. Having seen the literal mountains of "recyclables" in Kalifornia I'm somehow not too surprised at this.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270...iel-greenfield
Not that I expected anything different, but I notice your Neocon source: frontpagemag didn't bother to do anything besides pointing fingers on this recycling quandary....which is global btw...or at least it's everywhere that capitalist principles run the economy! So, what do you propose besides piling up the beer bottles and McDonalds refuse? Many landfills....like one I lived half a mile from in my former city...keep piling up garbage so high over the years, that when they finally reach their limits, and city and other local governments have to find new ways to get rid of garbage, the site is venting dangerous levels of methane as well as poisoning the land and aquifers surrounding it at lower elevations.

Trying to seal in the garbage and contaminants to prevent leaks in surrounding land and water, is both expensive and time-consuming, as is decontaminating local land...several farms that were located in between me and the dump had to be closed and evacuated after environmental assessments, and the farmers compensated...at least somewhat for their losses. The last I saw of the area...more than 10 years after the closure, Environment Canada was still paying for the growing and harvesting of cow-corn(and burning afterwards of course) to try to leach out as much of the toxic metals and chemicals from the topsoil as possible. I can't remember how long their assessment projected for when the land would be "safe" again, but I know it was pretty goddammed long time! So, why not continue doing what we're doing now and pile up more and more landfills!
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That there was something fishy about recycling. Having seen the literal mountains of "recyclables" in Kalifornia I'm somehow not too surprised at this.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270...iel-greenfield
The concept of recycling is not wrong. It's 100% on the money.
If you are interested in discussing the issue and the consequences of not recycling, I think that would be a good place to start.

Regardless of your actual interest in continuing the issue of this thread, other countries do it better.
https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a7462976.html
Sweden is so good at recycling that, for several years, it has imported rubbish from other countries to keep its recycling plants going. Less than 1 per cent of Swedish household waste was sent to landfill last year or any year since 2011.

We can only dream of such an effective system in the UK, which is why we end up paying expensive transport costs to send rubbish to be recycled overseas rather than paying fines to send it to landfill under The Landfill Tax of 1996.

The UK has made strides in the proportion of waste recycled under an EU target of 50 per cent by 2020. This has underpinned hundreds of millions of pounds of investment into recycling facilities and energy recovery plants in the UK, creating many jobs. Were not quite at that target yet. Recycling in the UK peaked at around 45 per cent of all waste in 2014.
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Old July 12th, 2018, 08:25 AM   #8
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Reduce, Reuse, Recycle!

https://kids.niehs.nih.gov/topics/reduce/index.htm

It would help if anyone concerned about waste management understood these three R's! Nevermind the global warming debate for a moment, this is the price you pay if you allow the forces of capitalism to just run amok and externalize all of it's costs onto the commons.

Market forces want to produce a proliferation of products they believe consumers can be suckered in to desiring and paying for...so 'Reduce' is quickly seen as anti-business!

Same goes for 'Reuse,' anyone remember when products were made to last? And I mean last more than a year or two! When products become cheaper than food, scrapping them and buying new ones...like $10. slave labor-produced shirts for example, is too easy. They might be 'out of fashion' next year, or faded slightly...so why not throw them away and buy new ones! Same thing goes for almost everything else except for cars...and there is so much computers and electronics in today's cars, that day may not be far off either when a car is traded in every year or so.

'Recycle' was always considered the last option/not the first! But, defanged governments around the world have mostly followed the US example of attacking the consumerism movement that started with Ralph Nader in the 60's, so until enough people realize our lakes, rivers and oceans are loading up with plastic refuse that doesn't disintegrate, and demand an end to excessive packaging and materials that are more easily recycled, the landfills will just keep piling up.
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The concept of recycling is not wrong. It's 100% on the money.
If you are interested in discussing the issue and the consequences of not recycling, I think that would be a good place to start.

Regardless of your actual interest in continuing the issue of this thread, other countries do it better.
https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a7462976.html
Sweden is so good at recycling that, for several years, it has imported rubbish from other countries to keep its recycling plants going. Less than 1 per cent of Swedish household waste was sent to landfill last year or any year since 2011.

We can only dream of such an effective system in the UK, which is why we end up paying expensive transport costs to send rubbish to be recycled overseas rather than paying fines to send it to landfill under The Landfill Tax of 1996.

The UK has made strides in the proportion of waste recycled under an EU target of 50 per cent by 2020. This has underpinned hundreds of millions of pounds of investment into recycling facilities and energy recovery plants in the UK, creating many jobs. Were not quite at that target yet. Recycling in the UK peaked at around 45 per cent of all waste in 2014.
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Old July 12th, 2018, 08:33 AM   #10
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Not that I expected anything different, but I notice your Neocon source: frontpagemag didn't bother to do anything besides pointing fingers on this recycling quandary....which is global btw...or at least it's everywhere that capitalist principles run the economy! So, what do you propose besides piling up the beer bottles and McDonalds refuse? Many landfills....like one I lived half a mile from in my former city...keep piling up garbage so high over the years, that when they finally reach their limits, and city and other local governments have to find new ways to get rid of garbage, the site is venting dangerous levels of methane as well as poisoning the land and aquifers surrounding it at lower elevations.

Trying to seal in the garbage and contaminants to prevent leaks in surrounding land and water, is both expensive and time-consuming, as is decontaminating local land...several farms that were located in between me and the dump had to be closed and evacuated after environmental assessments, and the farmers compensated...at least somewhat for their losses. The last I saw of the area...more than 10 years after the closure, Environment Canada was still paying for the growing and harvesting of cow-corn(and burning afterwards of course) to try to leach out as much of the toxic metals and chemicals from the topsoil as possible. I can't remember how long their assessment projected for when the land would be "safe" again, but I know it was pretty goddammed long time! So, why not continue doing what we're doing now and pile up more and more landfills!
Please note that the use of "Neocon" is not correct. I know, I am one.

The article is the first and only I've seen on the subject. I didn't know that recycleables were shipped ti China. In this case trolling the source is not a good thing to do, but it is in the nature of the beasts isn't it.
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