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Old July 12th, 2018, 03:38 PM   #1
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Goofy Connolly trying to strawman the issue

Connolly is the rep from my district & gee he's doing us proud. All the examples he gave were of elected legislators (none from federal agents or employees in executive branch positions of power with security clearances, that requires that they be politically neutral), calling for Trump to step down, step aside, or stating that they couldn't endorse or vote for Trump. What these elected legislative office holders were saying was benign (not to mention it's perfectly ok for them to say they said) & cannot be compared to the position that Strzok is in. Connolly tried to equate what the legislators he brought up did to what Strzok did, but they're not the same; he was trying to straw man the issue:

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Old July 13th, 2018, 12:29 PM   #2
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Yeah, that was pretty sad that he could not see the difference. Or, rather he probably can, he just figured that his constituency would not. He could have saved a lot words and just said Trump bad over and over for 15 minutes. Same thing
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What action did Strzok specifically take in his role as investigator that hurt the investigation adversely ?
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Old July 14th, 2018, 12:30 PM   #4
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What action did Strzok specifically take in his role as investigator that hurt the investigation adversely ?
Which investigation? The one where he's the lead investigator in the Secretary Clinton classified information scandal & changed wording in a draft about her actions, from "grossly negligent" - something that has a legal impact, to "extremely careless" - something that has much less, if any, legal impact?
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What action did Strzok specifically take in his role as investigator that hurt the investigation adversely ?
Having Comey change the language of his report on Hillary Clinton's felonious email use. Changing the words from "gross negligence" to "extremely careless". Gross negligence being the exact words used in the law to describe mishandling of classified information.
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Which investigation? The one where he's the lead investigator in the Secretary Clinton classified information scandal & changed wording in a draft about her actions, from "grossly negligent" - something that has a legal impact, to "extremely careless" - something that has much less, if any, legal impact?
LOL...do you not understand what the "draft" of a memo is?
Who would have the authority to change any DRAFT of a memo relating to an investigation if not the LEAD INVESTIGATOR of that investigator?
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Old July 14th, 2018, 04:43 PM   #7
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LOL...do you not understand what the "draft" of a memo is?
Who would have the authority to change any DRAFT of a memo relating to an investigation if not the LEAD INVESTIGATOR of that investigator?
I don't think editing a draft of an investigation report is the same as editing a fictional essay in a creative writing class, where you can just make stuff up as you go along - "one day he was riding on a train through fly-over country", no scratch that, "he was hiking north through Rocky Mountain National Park."

An investigation report by a law enforcement agency is supposed to be factual and objective, not fictional and creative. The initial choice of wording was "grossly negligent" & there must be a reason for that; if it's later changed to "extremely careless", then there has to be an explanation for why this change was made. Maybe there is a reason for why it was initially worded using language that has one type of legal impact to language that has a different legal impact & if so, maybe someone needs to provide an explanation for what's going on here.

It's one thing if they're trying to piece together a puzzle made up of the facts or data that was discovered from the investigation. If they're just trying to figure out how to arrange these puzzle pieces so they fit together in such a way that they make sense, as a result of an objective analysis, and that's what called for the revising of the wording, then that's acceptable; if the purpose for revising of the wording is to alter the puzzle pieces as a result of a creative design (for political agenda purposes), then that's unacceptable.

I like your choice of the use of the word "memo" instead of "report", though; that's rather clever and creative of you (not to mention that I'm guessing you edited your draft by changing "report" to "memo"). It has that connotative quality of something like a company memo from HR to employees about a change in policy for paid vacations, update on plans to expand the employee parking lot, the new casual Friday dress code which allows blue jeans, upcoming annual picnic plans, etc. That creates quite a contrast from something that can have an impact on national security such as the grossly negligent - oh wait scratch that - extremely careless handling of classified information.

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I don't think editing a draft of an investigation report is the same as editing a fictional essay in a creative writing class, where you can just make stuff up as you go along - "one day he was riding on a train through fly-over country", no scratch that, "he was hiking north through Rocky Mountain National Park."

An investigation report by a law enforcement agency is supposed to be factual and objective, not fictional and creative. The initial choice of wording was "grossly negligent" & there must be a reason for that; if it's later changed to "extremely careless", then there has to be an explanation for why this change was made. Maybe there is a reason for why it was initially worded using language that has one type of legal impact to language that has a different legal impact & if so, maybe someone needs to provide an explanation for what's going on here.

It's one thing if they're trying to piece together a puzzle made up of the facts or data that was discovered from the investigation. If they're just trying to figure out how to arrange these puzzle pieces so they fit together in such a way that they make sense, as a result of an objective analysis, and that's what called for the revising of the wording, then that's acceptable; if the purpose for revising of the wording is to alter the puzzle pieces as a result of a creative design (for political agenda purposes), then that's unacceptable.

I like your choice of the use of the word "memo" instead of "report", though; that's rather clever and creative of you (not to mention that I'm guessing you edited your draft by changing "report" to "memo"). It has that connotative quality of something like a company memo from HR to employees about a change in policy for paid vacations, update on plans to expand the employee parking lot, the new casual Friday dress code which allows blue jeans, upcoming annual picnic plans, etc. That creates quite a contrast from something that can have an impact on national security such as the grossly negligent - oh wait scratch that - extremely careless handling of classified information.
Did I say it was the same thing as editing a work of fiction? No, I think not.
And I like all the "If's" in your comments.
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Did I say it was the same thing as editing a work of fiction? No, I think not.
And I like all the "If's" in your comments.
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No, you didn't say it was the same thing as editing a work of fiction. I guess I'm just wondering if Strzok turned the investigation report into a work of fiction.
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No, you didn't say it was the same thing as editing a work of fiction. I guess I'm just wondering if Strzok turned the investigation report into a work of fiction.
Like all right wingers who lack the ability to think for themselves, just what does an investigation of Clinton have to do with the investigation of Trump? No one, not even your partisan chickenhawks, has introduced a damn piece of evidence to show that Strzok did anything wrong. Should we talk about the Nunes farce? How about McConnells changing the rules? Why no hearings on Trumps unConstitutional ordering of a "zero tolerance" rule?

If you want fiction you have to look no further then the Repugnant party on most any issue. Or their fake hearings.
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