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Old October 17th, 2010, 11:24 AM   #21
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But the U.S. has more wealth. I think that's the point. The U.S. has the biggest wealth gap in the industrialize world.
Do you think Tiger Woods should share his money with the losers of the matches he participates in, how about the movie stars and singing artists? Why do you concern yourself with how much a CEO earns in comparison to how much you earn?



The gap is based on the very bottom and the very top so action number one should be to remove all illegal immigrants that hold the bottom tier of Americans wages down and not focusing on the top earners. The only thing the government should do concerning wages is offer a fair, level playing ground so each citizen may aspire to be Tiger Woods, Bill Gates or if you prefer a Wall Street fat cat.
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Old October 17th, 2010, 11:26 AM   #22
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Great gary, then fucking move there! Be sure to tell us how great everything else is in said countries. Watch your toezees if you choose Norway or Sweden.


Just to let you know pensacola, That the people in those countries are ranked of being the happiest people on earth. Just to let you know they have the lest wealth gaps in the world.
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Old October 17th, 2010, 11:28 AM   #23
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None of these nations have the same environment as America. By environment I'm talking about our political system, our position as a world power, our makeup of citizens and uninvited guests, history and so much more.


Yes they are all different but they are all doing a better job of coping with their problems.



The US seems to be treading water instead of tackling the real long term challenges of fiscal policy, energy, immigration, health care etc.



If the GOP wins control of the House next month we are in for yet more years of sitting on our hands.



Nobody can deny America's tremendous progress during the last 60-70 years but that's all in the past.



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Great gary, then fucking move there! Be sure to tell us how great everything else is in said countries. Watch your toezees if you choose Norway or Sweden.




I used to live in Australia, great country and great people.



It's like a combination of Britain and America but without all the stress. No worries mate!
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Old October 17th, 2010, 11:46 AM   #25
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Do you think Tiger Woods should share his money with the losers of the matches he participates in, how about the movie stars and singing artists? Why do you concern yourself with how much a CEO earns in comparison to how much you earn?


I like to live in a country where we're known for having the worst inequity out of all the developed countries and say at the same time were #1. I like not having 1 out of 7 children live in poverty. I like live in a country where were don't have the worst physical health, mental health, drug abuse, education, imprisonment, obesity, social mobility, violence, teenage births, and etc. All of those are symptom by having this large of a wealth gap. We should be ashamed for having this many poor laying on the streets in this country.



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The gap is based on the very bottom and the very top so action number one should be to remove all illegal immigrants that hold the bottom tier of Americans wages down and not focusing on the top earners. The only thing the government should do concerning wages is offer a fair, level playing ground so each citizen may aspire to be Tiger Woods, Bill Gates or if you prefer a Wall Street fat cat.


Once again your blaming the reason why wages are low, all on illegal immigrates Zack. Corporations hireing illegals in this country contributes but not the largest reason. Reaganomics and out sourcing jobs are. And not everyone want's to be like bill gates because not 99% of Americans can't be the top 1%. Most Americans just want to be in the middle class. I don't need Billions of dollars and even Bill gates believe he should be taxed more. A living wage is what people want.
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Yes they are all different but they are all doing a better job of coping with their problems.
You have to blame the US federal government as being the problem, in Europe the individual nations solve their social problems. Unions like the EU do not manage healthcare and social programs. If the US federal government had staid out of the states business as required by the tenth amendment the states would have competed like the European states relating to social issues and have came to a better resolution.



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The US seems to be treading water instead of tackling the real long term challenges of fiscal policy, energy, immigration, health care etc.
Wide differences in approach on all these issues between the two major political parties.



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If the GOP wins control of the House next month we are in for yet more years of sitting on our hands.



Nobody can deny America's tremendous progress during the last 60-70 years but that's all in the past.
What do you mean if? Until Obama is out and history nothing should happen because he only approves and signs policy and laws that are destructive. Hopefully spending will be drastically cut by the upcoming Republican majority.





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I like to live in a country where we're not know for having the worst inequity out of all the developed countries and say at the same time were #1. I like not having 1 out of 7 children live in poverty. I like live in a country where were don't have the worst physical health, mental health, drug abuse, education, imprisonment, obesity, social mobility, violence, teenage births, and etc. All of those are symptom by having this large of a wealth gap. We should be ashamed for having this many poor laying on the streets in this country.
Vote Republican, but insist that they are conservative! Lobby Hollywood to stop glorifying immoral lifestyles. End unions in the public school system and restore family values. Insist that public schools have a competitive exercise program...going to need tort reform! Restore self reliance! Insist that all workers in the US are legal workers. Insist on lower taxes for businesses that employee citizens







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Once again your blaming the reason why wages are low, all on illegal immigrates Zack. Corporations hireing illegals in this country contributes but not the largest reason. Reaganomics and out sourcing jobs are. And not everyone want's to be like bill gates because not 99% of Americans can be the top 1%. Most Americans just want to be in the middle class. I don't need Billions of dollars and even Bill gates believe he should be taxed more. A living wage is what people want.
What the hell is blue collar middle class, is earning $20 an hour middle class, $40K+, if so I'd guess that almost all jobs would pay near that in compensation after a year or two of employment if there were no illegals holding down wages. Likewise skilled blue collar like roofing, plumbing, heating and cooling and construction contractors would earn double that... skilled workers with college preparations would earn at least a third more than skilled blue collar workers... What do you want them to share the fat cats millions?
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You mean apart YOU would be nowhere near that. Don't be doing the Tiger Woods shit on her, you don't have the money to survive it.
Seriously. I am aware of the serious hit to my bottom line that getting caught sowing my oats would incur. Luckily, she doesn't give me any reason where that risk would seem worth it. She's an awesome woman.
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You mean apart YOU would be nowhere near that. Don't be doing the Tiger Woods shit on her, you don't have the money to survive it.
Seriously. I am aware of the serious hit to my bottom line that getting caught sowing my oats would incur. Luckily, she doesn't give me any reason where that risk would seem worth it. She's an awesome woman.



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I bet every damn one of them has a sizeable Muslim population by now.
And they are all feeling it. The anti-immigrant movement is growing over there driven predominately by Muslims. I read this today from Germany.

Angela Merkel declares death of German multiculturalism | World news | The Guardian



Sweden joins Europe-wide backlash against immigration | World news | The Guardian



Along with bans on burqas and building minarets on buildings....you might be right.
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I really don't get your point. So are you for people making more? like what it use to be in the 1940, 50s, 60s, and 70s, up until early 1980 when only either the husband or wife needed to work to support their family and if both wanted to work then that's fine.
My point is that our divorce rate fuels poverty. And nothing predicts poverty like poverty.

You can't just make more out of thin air.. And you can't legislate it like you are trying to convince us to do.



Besides, arbitrary increases in wage are what spells the end for capitalism. If your market is flat, no business can afford to just give raises, yet our entire mindset is built on getting yearly raises. That unsustainable. Every increase in wage has to be offset by an increase in business revenue. When you figure that reality for every business, you end up with a near inevitable point where things become too expensive. That's why we have the situation now where a family needs two moderate incomes to be barely middle class.



And you have the situation where in a vast majority of the time, when there's a divorce with kids, the parent with the kids often ends up in poverty.

http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-bud...d=bb-budgeting

For the 50 percent of families in the middle of the scale, household income ranges from $51,000 to $123,000 for a typical four-person, two-parent family. The median is about $81,000. Those numbers are from 2008, and have probably fallen 5 to 7 percent since then, on account of the recession. Median income for a single-parent, two-child family is about $25,000.




You can't just wish disparities like that away. Nor can you social engineer it away without violating someone's "rights". Even your income distribution plans would be severely taxed to try and rectify that situation.
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Old October 18th, 2010, 04:38 AM   #30
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Vote Republican, but insist that they are conservative! Lobby Hollywood to stop glorifying immoral lifestyles. End unions in the public school system and restore family values. Insist that public schools have a competitive exercise program...going to need tort reform! Restore self reliance! Insist that all workers in the US are legal workers. Insist on lower taxes for businesses that employee citizens


The only thing you wrote that made sense is going after corporations that hire illegal immigrants. Ironic that Obama have done more on that issue than the whole eight years of bush lol. Look Zack, conservatism never work.



The best thing to do is raise taxes, fix our trade policies, and increase unionization by passing the Employee Free Choice Act so on and so forth. You and me both know that.



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What the hell is blue collar middle class, is earning $20 an hour middle class, $40K+, if so I'd guess that almost all jobs would pay near that in compensation after a year or two of employment if there were no illegals holding down wages. Likewise skilled blue collar like roofing, plumbing, heating and cooling and construction contractors would earn double that... skilled workers with college preparations would earn at least a third more than skilled blue collar workers... What do you want them to share the fat cats millions?


Just going after Illegal immigrants won't fix the problem Zack. Remember most average workers income fell about $24 thousand dollars over the eight year of George Bush because if cut taxes. Also unionization in this country is less then 10%. And you also add the millions of millions of well paying jobs going to counties like China and stuff. You add all that Zack... there you go, productivity increase and wages stayed flat. FACT. Common knowledge my friend. To fix the problem simply rewind time. That what makes wealth in a family and for people period lol.
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