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Old February 19th, 2011, 08:44 PM   #1
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I'm for anyone who wants to slash government spending -- at every level (not just the Federal). I don't agree with almost anything the Tea Party says on social issues (they are, for example, way too bible thumping for me). But, I don't care. It is the only group around that is willing to slash heavily into government spending.



We don't have any money. Worst, spending is what gives the government a lot of its power. The more government spends, the more control they have.



The real liberals (not the progressives, they are the worst spenders of all) in the Democratic Party could seize this issue.



Here's one example: criminal justice. What country has the highest percentage of incarcerated people? We do. It is a disgrace. Criminal justice has become a huge industry and we spend lavishly on it. Why do we have private prisons? A profit off incarceration? Another disgrace. Traffic cams. Yet another.



Liberals abhor heavy handed criminal justice (as opposed to progressives, who love every felon - such as the Dems who want ex-felons to be able to vote - but who criminalize behavior they find politically incorrect). Hit on it. The corrections officers unions in Calif. yield tons of power, which is one reason that there aren't any empty jails there.



We can no longer afford to solve every societal problem by expensive criminal incarceration.



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How about stripping our society of zero tolerance? There's nothing liberal about that concept (though, again, the P.C. progressive crowd loves it). Progressive scum do gooders created these domestic abuse laws where any contact results in someone going to jail - usually losing their job in the process. Wow, society and the family really wins with that one. The wife refuses to file charges? The do gooders say "we'll make them file charges." Why? As long as the "victim" knows the tools are there (protective order, safe house, etc.) then let it be her choice. If it is a bad one, tough shit.



"He (or she) threw something at me." That should not be a crime, unless the object is a grenade or knife. "He pushed me." If you weren't pushed to the floor or hut, should not be a crime. I hate men who hit women (my husband wouldn't hit me if I sat on him and pounded his face, it is that ingrained). But, I don't think that every domestic confrontation that includes mild violence where no one is hurt needs to invoke the full force and expense of the criminal justice system.



There are lots of other issues on which true liberals could steal the Tea Party's thunder.
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Old February 20th, 2011, 06:27 AM   #2
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First stop exaggerating and blaming democrats for these problems. Second actually do some work to find out why this country has so many people in prison/jail. About 12% of state and federal inmates jailed for drug violations are serving time for marijuana offenses. So support the your friendly liberals when they advocate for legalizing the pot. 60 percent of the prison and jail are made up of non violent offenders.





The study points out that some of the main causes of the rise in incarceration rates are policies such as "mandatory minimums" and "three strikes" laws that often lead to long prison terms for non-violent offenders. Earlier research on the connection between crime and incarceration suggests that state and local governments could shift non-violent offenders from jail and prison to probation and parole with little or no deterioration in public safety."Shifting just half of the non-violent offenders from prison and jail to probation and parole could save state and local governments $15 billion per year."



Among the key findings are:
  • In 2008, one of every 48 working-age men were in prison or jail.
  • Non-violent offenders make up over 60 percent of the prison and jail population; non-violent drug offenders account for one-fourth of all offenders behind bars.
  • The total number of violent crimes in the United States was only about three percent higher in 2008 than it was in 1980. Over the same period, the U.S. population increased by 33 percent while the prison and jail population skyrocketed by more than 350 percent.
"Looking back on the last 30 years, the idea of 'locking people up and throwing away the key' has done very little to combat crime, but it has created a tremendous burden for state and local governments."



http://www.commondre...wire/2010/06/08



http://www.cepr.net/...f-incarceration



http://www.cepr.net/



Also leighredf you know how to really fix this problem? How about fixing our trade polices brining back good paying jobs to the U.S. and fixing tax structure in that RAISING TAXES on millionaires and billionaires to stop economic crashes which CAUSES more crime. And please stop attaching progressives to every ill in this country it's silly, so actually do your homework before falsely pointing fingers.
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First stop exaggerating and blaming democrats for these problems. Second actually do some work to find out why this country has so many people in prison/jail. About 12% of state and federal inmates jailed for drug violations are serving time for marijuana offenses. So support the your friendly liberals when they advocate for legalizing the pot. 60 percent of the prison and jail are made up of non violent offenders.





The study points out that some of the main causes of the rise in incarceration rates are policies such as "mandatory minimums" and "three strikes" laws that often lead to long prison terms for non-violent offenders. Earlier research on the connection between crime and incarceration suggests that state and local governments could shift non-violent offenders from jail and prison to probation and parole with little or no deterioration in public safety."Shifting just half of the non-violent offenders from prison and jail to probation and parole could save state and local governments $15 billion per year."



Among the key findings are:
  • In 2008, one of every 48 working-age men were in prison or jail.
  • Non-violent offenders make up over 60 percent of the prison and jail population; non-violent drug offenders account for one-fourth of all offenders behind bars.
  • The total number of violent crimes in the United States was only about three percent higher in 2008 than it was in 1980. Over the same period, the U.S. population increased by 33 percent while the prison and jail population skyrocketed by more than 350 percent.
"Looking back on the last 30 years, the idea of 'locking people up and throwing away the key' has done very little to combat crime, but it has created a tremendous burden for state and local governments."



http://www.commondre...wire/2010/06/08



http://www.cepr.net/...f-incarceration



http://www.cepr.net/



Also leighredf you know how to really fix this problem? How about fixing our trade polices brining back good paying jobs to the U.S. and fixing tax structure in that RAISING TAXES on millionaires and billionaires to stop economic crashes which CAUSES more crime. And please stop attaching progressives to every ill in this country it's silly, so actually do your homework before falsely pointing fingers.


I knew you blame crime on someone other than the criminals. You progressives love the fucking criminals, unless it is some poor working guy who happened to bump his wife during a marital argument. Then, you can't wait to throw him in jail.



Is it because you are such a deadend loser that you hate people with money so much? Because you'll always have a shit job, and probably live with your parents?



Why do you always think people with money are rich, white Republicans? My husband represented an 88 year old black man who busted his ass all his life in lower paying jobs. He lived in a little house in the Cedar Grove section of Shreveport. He had to use pallets for his backyard fence. But, he had inherited 140 acres of swarmpy bottom land, not good for much until our big gas boom hit.



He got a nice check: $900,000. Here's his chance to have a decent house, and live out the rest of his life in comfort. Then, cunts like you want to tax the shit out of him so that the bums, drunks, junkies, welfare queens, and other dregs of society can get their handouts.



Why do you hate decent working people? Why do you hate people that aren't drunks, junkies, or muslim scum?



This scene has repeated itself over and over around here, people who had no money all their lives suddenly have something, a chance to be financially independent. Then, sour grapes, jealous of success people want to steal that money from them with high taxes.



The wealthy generally make a lot of money that is passive income ... high tax rates won't punish them.



Why do progressives want to give handouts to every scumbag? Some drunk who bumbles down the street in Shreveport has vans of do gooders ready to give him food, water, blankets. The elderly black woman I saw yesterday at the grocery store counting pennies to buy milk, progressives don't give a shit about her. She's not a victim. She doesn't count.



I despise progressives (liberals are cool, however). Let's spend your money doing what we want you to do. Let's control every aspect of your life. Let's punish hard work and success, and reward those who sit on their fat asses doing nothing put pulling their puds all day.



The poor around here who reaped a windfall typically get one big bonus check, taxed as income. Thank God we didn't have higher tax rates, as many wouldn't have been as set as they are now.



People like Shriek, supposedly in Wisc., and FayT see success as some white issue because they live in their sheltered, liberal confines. Here in real life, we have successful people who have worked themselves up from nothing. Why do you want to punish them?
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First stop exaggerating and blaming democrats for these problems. Second actually do some work to find out why this country has so many people in prison/jail. About 12% of state and federal inmates jailed for drug violations are serving time for marijuana offenses. So support the your friendly liberals when they advocate for legalizing the pot. 60 percent of the prison and jail are made up of non violent offenders.





The study points out that some of the main causes of the rise in incarceration rates are policies such as "mandatory minimums" and "three strikes" laws that often lead to long prison terms for non-violent offenders. Earlier research on the connection between crime and incarceration suggests that state and local governments could shift non-violent offenders from jail and prison to probation and parole with little or no deterioration in public safety."Shifting just half of the non-violent offenders from prison and jail to probation and parole could save state and local governments $15 billion per year."



Among the key findings are:
  • In 2008, one of every 48 working-age men were in prison or jail.
  • Non-violent offenders make up over 60 percent of the prison and jail population; non-violent drug offenders account for one-fourth of all offenders behind bars.
  • The total number of violent crimes in the United States was only about three percent higher in 2008 than it was in 1980. Over the same period, the U.S. population increased by 33 percent while the prison and jail population skyrocketed by more than 350 percent.
"Looking back on the last 30 years, the idea of 'locking people up and throwing away the key' has done very little to combat crime, but it has created a tremendous burden for state and local governments."



http://www.commondre...wire/2010/06/08



http://www.cepr.net/...f-incarceration



http://www.cepr.net/



Also leighredf you know how to really fix this problem? How about fixing our trade polices brining back good paying jobs to the U.S. and fixing tax structure in that RAISING TAXES on millionaires and billionaires to stop economic crashes which CAUSES more crime. And please stop attaching progressives to every ill in this country it's silly, so actually do your homework before falsely pointing fingers.


Why did you post all those links as if ... never mind, I know you think everyone but you is a fucking moron. My husband works extensively on Project Innocence stuff. Those stats are old news. I agree with them, but the Democrats aren't for reforming the criminal laws. They had full control of the house and senate - why didn't they decriminalize pot at the federal level?



Quit sucking Democrat pipe and realize that a majority of the Dems are just as scummy as a majority of the Republicans.
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Why did you post all those links as if ... never mind, I know you think everyone but you is a fucking moron. My husband works extensively on Project Innocence stuff. Those stats are old news. I agree with them, but the Democrats aren't for reforming the criminal laws. They had full control of the house and senate - why didn't they decriminalize pot at the federal level?



Quit sucking Democrat pipe and realize that a majority of the Dems are just as scummy as a majority of the Republicans.


At least he strayed off the homosexual marriage threads for the first time.



And he hasn't called you a bigot - yet.
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Why did you post all those links as if ... never mind, I know you think everyone but you is a fucking moron. My husband works extensively on Project Innocence stuff. Those stats are old news. I agree with them, but the Democrats aren't for reforming the criminal laws. They had full control of the house and senate - why didn't they decriminalize pot at the federal level?



Quit sucking Democrat pipe and realize that a majority of the Dems are just as scummy as a majority of the Republicans.


Why not post the links? No I'm saying the democrats are pushing for these changes, It hasn't happen yet but who do you think advocating for these changes to be done? Sure as hell not the republicans.
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At least he strayed off the homosexual marriage threads for the first time.



And he hasn't called you a bigot - yet.
Fayt just started posting on those threads. Have I missed something?



Fayt's more about blaming the Republicans for everything wrong with our country while totally glossing over anything negative done by the Dems.
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Fayt just started posting on those threads. Have I missed something?



Fayt's more about blaming the Republicans for everything wrong with our country while totally glossing over anything negative done by the Dems.


Hey, hater.



Gary was referring to Shriek.



FayT loves everything about the democratic party. Me, I look at New Orleans and Detroit -- two fine examples of Democratic Party leadership.



I look at the President sucking up to the union goons that got him elected and who supply the party with so much money. Sad.



Democrats have allowed public worker unions to have way to much power at the state and local level. Nice conflict of interest - government workers running the government.



FayT is, of course, also a progressive. There seems to be something really arrogant about calling yourself a "progressive", since the word assumes everyone else is not.



What they do well is progressively lead us to run out of money. Geitner testified before Congress that Obama's ten year budge could "not be sustained." What? Only a progressive (and Obama is too smart to be a progressive) would submit an unsustainable budget. And, he keeps wanting to add more programs. I love traveling by train, but we have no money. We have no money for new programs, period.



Progressives like WT and FayT say they like the military. But, it is lip service. They are both up in arms over the poor teachers in Wisconsin - whose starting pay is significantly more than a First Lieutenant's. Where was the outrage over some guy that gets no overtime, busts his ass, and could lose his life? They were against the Iraq and Afghanistan War, but generally not because neither was worth one American life (which is my reasoning). They express concern about the victims in Iraq and Afghanistan. They worried more about evil Blackwater and not much about our men and women.



Progressives have taken over the Dem party, which could use a re-takeover by true liberals.
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Hey, hater.



Gary was referring to Shriek.
Hey Bony-a$$.



Did a post get deleted? Oh well, whatever. Doesn't even matter. If it was about that person, then excuse me Gary, that WOULD be something different.
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Fayt just started posting on those threads. Have I missed something?



Fayt's more about blaming the Republicans for everything wrong with our country while totally glossing over anything negative done by the Dems.


WTF I don't think he was talking about me.
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