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Old July 29th, 2011, 09:40 PM   #11
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Apple should be careful...Obama was quick to take over some auto makers and banks in an "alleged" bailout...he may come up with some executive order and take over Apple so Michelle can import more plants for her garden under the guise that they were actually grown there on the White House lawn...and both she and Obama can throw more lavish parties with rock stars and actors and go on vacations to foreign countries at the taxpayers, er...Apple's expense.







Bottom line, Obama doesn't give a rats ass about America's economy so long as he gets to stick it to the man and spend his money as he sees fit (meanwhile acting like celebrity wannabees!)
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Apple should be careful...Obama was quick to take over some auto makers and banks in an "alleged" bailout...he may come up with some executive order and take over Apple so Michelle can import more plants for her garden under the guise that they were actually grown there on the White House lawn...and both she and Obama can throw more lavish parties with rock stars and actors and go on vacations to foreign countries at the taxpayers, er...Apple's expense.







Bottom line, Obama doesn't give a rats ass about America's economy so long as he gets to stick it to the man and spend his money as he sees fit (meanwhile acting like celebrity wannabees!)


That's totally off-topic.
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You despise Apple and Windows. What's your horse in this race?


If I had two choose between the lesser of the two evils probably Windows. Does that answer the question hahahaha?



Example:



I am an open-source software hippy and avid Linux user. I like to think LInux gives us users freedom to tinker with technology personally and use it openly and freely. Microsoft and Apple don't really care about doing that. Microsoft is more open to the idea of open-source software to an "extent". Apple is becoming is the "new" Microsoft of the last decade.


OK, I understand your POV.



When it comes to a computer "working" and being nearly free of threats and inconveniences, Mac has it over Windows imo.
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Old July 30th, 2011, 07:41 AM   #14
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You despise Apple and Windows. What's your horse in this race?


If I had two choose between the lesser of the two evils probably Windows. Does that answer the question hahahaha?



Example:



I am an open-source software hippy and avid Linux user. I like to think LInux gives us users freedom to tinker with technology personally and use it openly and freely. Microsoft and Apple don't really care about doing that. Microsoft is more open to the idea of open-source software to an "extent". Apple is becoming is the "new" Microsoft of the last decade.


OK, I understand your POV.



When it comes to a computer "working" and being nearly free of threats and inconveniences, Mac has it over Windows imo.


This is true though. Compare over ~75,000,0000 new trojan varients being exploited in the wild for Windows in total vs. maybe on average about 1,000 of Mac OS/X. When it comes to security OS/X is definitely the better choice, but that does not man attackers cannot or will not try to exploit it. Two examples are the Boonana trojan and an unamed Remote Access Tool that was going around a few months back. I think that's what your referring to? If that's the case then yes you make a good point.
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[quote name='HotshotGG' timestamp='1311999539' post='344587']

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You despise Apple and Windows. What's your horse in this race?


If I had two choose between the lesser of the two evils probably Windows. Does that answer the question hahahaha?



Example:



I am an open-source software hippy and avid Linux user. I like to think LInux gives us users freedom to tinker with technology personally and use it openly and freely. Microsoft and Apple don't really care about doing that. Microsoft is more open to the idea of open-source software to an "extent". Apple is becoming is the "new" Microsoft of the last decade.


OK, I understand your POV.



When it comes to a computer "working" and being nearly free of threats and inconveniences, Mac has it over Windows imo.


This is true though. Compare over ~75,000,0000 new trojan varients being exploited in the wild for Windows in total vs. maybe on average about 1,000 of Mac OS/X. When it comes to security OS/X is definitely the better choice, but that does not man attackers cannot or will not try to exploit it. Two examples are the Boonana trojan and an unamed Remote Access Tool that was going around a few months back. I think that's what your referring to? If that's the case then yes you make a good point.

[/quote]



I have a Mac adware/malware/virus program, and from time to time I scan my computers. Nothing.



I've owned a Mac since 1995, and maintained an all-Mac system for a newspaper from 1995-2001. During that time, I found one virus, and it wasn't a Mac virus.



For a computer user, this is important.



You seem far more technically skilled than I am. I don't understand why Macs aren't targeted. I know far fewer Macs are out there, but is this the reason why they aren't targeted or does it have to do with some characteristic the operating system?



Just curious.
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[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1312035510' post='344624']

[quote name='HotshotGG' timestamp='1311999539' post='344587']

Quote:

You despise Apple and Windows. What's your horse in this race?


If I had two choose between the lesser of the two evils probably Windows. Does that answer the question hahahaha?



Example:



I am an open-source software hippy and avid Linux user. I like to think LInux gives us users freedom to tinker with technology personally and use it openly and freely. Microsoft and Apple don't really care about doing that. Microsoft is more open to the idea of open-source software to an "extent". Apple is becoming is the "new" Microsoft of the last decade.


OK, I understand your POV.



When it comes to a computer "working" and being nearly free of threats and inconveniences, Mac has it over Windows imo.


This is true though. Compare over ~75,000,0000 new trojan varients being exploited in the wild for Windows in total vs. maybe on average about 1,000 of Mac OS/X. When it comes to security OS/X is definitely the better choice, but that does not man attackers cannot or will not try to exploit it. Two examples are the Boonana trojan and an unamed Remote Access Tool that was going around a few months back. I think that's what your referring to? If that's the case then yes you make a good point.

[/quote]



I have a Mac adware/malware/virus program, and from time to time I scan my computers. Nothing.



I've owned a Mac since 1995, and maintained an all-Mac system for a newspaper from 1995-2001. During that time, I found one virus, and it wasn't a Mac virus.



For a computer user, this is important.



You seem far more technically skilled than I am. I don't understand why Macs aren't targeted. I know far fewer Macs are out there, but is this the reason why they aren't targeted or does it have to do with some characteristic the operating system?



Just curious.

[/quote]



Two reasons. The first thing is they are exploited, but they are harder to exploit due to the way that Unix sets up what are called ACL's or Access Control Lists (file permission on all types of files) can be imposed in a stricter manner. The second is in order for an application to run it would require what's called "root" access. It can't infect the environment if it does not have "root" access the same thing applies to Linux. The only way you would be able to get root access would be through what's collected referred to as "privledge escalation" through exploits (which are sometimes possible if you try to attack the kernel structure, which is the base of the Operating System and how the code is structured), which is why it's patched so frequently in Unix both OS/X and Linux. Windows Operating System is designed with much looser ACL's in mind and doesn't impose the same restrictions. Example there is a piece of Malware called "Poison Ivy", which can actually disable ACL's very easily within in Windows XP. These same ACL's are used by the malware in order to prevent you from running common anti-virus and other malware removal tools. In Unix unless you were to implement a "backdoor" rootkit without the user knowing (this is next to impossible to do) it might be possible. That's just one example I mean I could go on and on all day about it, but I think you get the gist. If you have any more questions let me know via a P.M and I will explain in further detail an simplify it much better. Take care.



P.S don't believe the "hype" you read on the Internet about the anti-virus companies saying Mac's are the next target attack platform. They are exploited, but not nearly as much as Windows is on any given day! That's just "fear mongering" by the AV companies for the most part who are looking to make more money although their are some exploits for OS/X floating around out there like that Remote Access Trojan that was in the news about 3 months ago.
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Two reasons. The first thing is they are exploited, but they are harder to exploit due to the way that Unix sets up what are called ACL's or Access Control Lists (file permission on all types of files) can be imposed in a stricter manner. The second is in order for an application to run it would require what's called "root" access. It can't infect the environment if it does not have "root" access the same thing applies to Linux. The only way you would be able to get root access would be through what's collected referred to as "privledge escalation" through exploits (which are sometimes possible if you try to attack the kernel structure, which is the base of the Operating System and how the code is structured), which is why it's patched so frequently in Unix both OS/X and Linux. Windows Operating System is designed with much looser ACL's in mind and doesn't impose the same restrictions. Example there is a piece of Malware called "Poison Ivy", which can actually disable ACL's very easily within in Windows XP. These same ACL's are used by the malware in order to prevent you from running common anti-virus and other malware removal tools. In Unix unless you were to implement a "backdoor" rootkit without the user knowing (this is next to impossible to do) it might be possible. That's just one example I mean I could go on and on all day about it, but I think you get the gist. If you have any more questions let me know via a P.M and I will explain in further detail an simplify it much better. Take care.



P.S don't believe the "hype" you read on the Internet about the anti-virus companies saying Mac's are the next target attack platform. They are exploited, but not nearly as much as Windows is on any given day! That's just "fear mongering" by the AV companies for the most part who are looking to make more money although their are some exploits for OS/X floating around out there like that Remote Access Trojan that was in the news about 3 months ago.


If I understand correctly, OSX presents a tougher challenge.



Thank you for the explanation.
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Two reasons. The first thing is they are exploited, but they are harder to exploit due to the way that Unix sets up what are called ACL's or Access Control Lists (file permission on all types of files) can be imposed in a stricter manner. The second is in order for an application to run it would require what's called "root" access. It can't infect the environment if it does not have "root" access the same thing applies to Linux. The only way you would be able to get root access would be through what's collected referred to as "privledge escalation" through exploits (which are sometimes possible if you try to attack the kernel structure, which is the base of the Operating System and how the code is structured), which is why it's patched so frequently in Unix both OS/X and Linux. Windows Operating System is designed with much looser ACL's in mind and doesn't impose the same restrictions. Example there is a piece of Malware called "Poison Ivy", which can actually disable ACL's very easily within in Windows XP. These same ACL's are used by the malware in order to prevent you from running common anti-virus and other malware removal tools. In Unix unless you were to implement a "backdoor" rootkit without the user knowing (this is next to impossible to do) it might be possible. That's just one example I mean I could go on and on all day about it, but I think you get the gist. If you have any more questions let me know via a P.M and I will explain in further detail an simplify it much better. Take care.



P.S don't believe the "hype" you read on the Internet about the anti-virus companies saying Mac's are the next target attack platform. They are exploited, but not nearly as much as Windows is on any given day! That's just "fear mongering" by the AV companies for the most part who are looking to make more money although their are some exploits for OS/X floating around out there like that Remote Access Trojan that was in the news about 3 months ago.


If I understand correctly, OSX presents a tougher challenge.



Thank you for the explanation.


Yes. Thank you for the enlightened discussion. Talk to you again soon!
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[quote name='HotshotGG' timestamp='1311999539' post='344587']

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You despise Apple and Windows. What's your horse in this race?


If I had two choose between the lesser of the two evils probably Windows. Does that answer the question hahahaha?



Example:



I am an open-source software hippy and avid Linux user. I like to think LInux gives us users freedom to tinker with technology personally and use it openly and freely. Microsoft and Apple don't really care about doing that. Microsoft is more open to the idea of open-source software to an "extent". Apple is becoming is the "new" Microsoft of the last decade.


OK, I understand your POV.



When it comes to a computer "working" and being nearly free of threats and inconveniences, Mac has it over Windows imo.


This is true though. Compare over ~75,000,0000 new trojan varients being exploited in the wild for Windows in total vs. maybe on average about 1,000 of Mac OS/X. When it comes to security OS/X is definitely the better choice, but that does not man attackers cannot or will not try to exploit it. Two examples are the Boonana trojan and an unamed Remote Access Tool that was going around a few months back. I think that's what your referring to? If that's the case then yes you make a good point.

[/quote]



I have a Mac adware/malware/virus program, and from time to time I scan my computers. Nothing.



I've owned a Mac since 1995, and maintained an all-Mac system for a newspaper from 1995-2001. During that time, I found one virus, and it wasn't a Mac virus.



For a computer user, this is important.



You seem far more technically skilled than I am. I don't understand why Macs aren't targeted. I know far fewer Macs are out there, but is this the reason why they aren't targeted or does it have to do with some characteristic the operating system?



Just curious.

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That's totally off-topic.
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[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1312035510' post='344624']

[quote name='HotshotGG' timestamp='1311999539' post='344587']

Quote:

You despise Apple and Windows. What's your horse in this race?


If I had two choose between the lesser of the two evils probably Windows. Does that answer the question hahahaha?



Example:



I am an open-source software hippy and avid Linux user. I like to think LInux gives us users freedom to tinker with technology personally and use it openly and freely. Microsoft and Apple don't really care about doing that. Microsoft is more open to the idea of open-source software to an "extent". Apple is becoming is the "new" Microsoft of the last decade.


OK, I understand your POV.



When it comes to a computer "working" and being nearly free of threats and inconveniences, Mac has it over Windows imo.


This is true though. Compare over ~75,000,0000 new trojan varients being exploited in the wild for Windows in total vs. maybe on average about 1,000 of Mac OS/X. When it comes to security OS/X is definitely the better choice, but that does not man attackers cannot or will not try to exploit it. Two examples are the Boonana trojan and an unamed Remote Access Tool that was going around a few months back. I think that's what your referring to? If that's the case then yes you make a good point.

[/quote]



I have a Mac adware/malware/virus program, and from time to time I scan my computers. Nothing.



I've owned a Mac since 1995, and maintained an all-Mac system for a newspaper from 1995-2001. During that time, I found one virus, and it wasn't a Mac virus.



For a computer user, this is important.



You seem far more technically skilled than I am. I don't understand why Macs aren't targeted. I know far fewer Macs are out there, but is this the reason why they aren't targeted or does it have to do with some characteristic the operating system?



Just curious.

[/quote]





That's totally off-topic.

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To an extent. It's not as off-topic as some stupid random ass Obama rand to be honest with you, which added no nutrtional value to the convsersation. That sort of thing is common place around here
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