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Old June 19th, 2012, 01:45 PM   #31
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[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1340054059' post='408151']See, there you go again. You always seem to find a way to just piss me off. You care less about our American Constitution and care even less for the well being of the American people. Our government is suppose to protect and defend us from enemies foreign and domestic. However yet, the enemies of our economy are people who are forcing us to race to the bottom in a consumer driven economy. National Security requires that we have a strong economy and we are right now having our backs broken by republicans while you still sit here quietly sitting on your hand telling me that you still support nothing that will metaphorically fix our backs.



You know a lot about the Fed GREAT! Me too. However what's the point if you still economically and Constitutionally stupid (to quote Bill Clinton)


Don't lecture me about respecting the Constitution. Don't make me quote the powers delegated to Congress. Don't make me point out that the Federal Reserve Act is unconstitutional. Don't even say that if it was it would have been challenged by now, because that's wrong.



You like to distill everything down to D vs. R, and you think there's no problem that cannot be solved by adjusting taxation, and federal spending. Fine. Like I said earlier, like I've said 100 times, we don't agree. Let me say it again: We Don't Agree. One more time: WE DON'T AGREE, and it's a damned dishonest debate tactic to unilaterally declare that we DO agree 100 percent on the ROOT CAUSE of booms and busts and bubbles and recessions and recoveries because WE DON'T AGREE on the root cause, and WE DON'T AGREE that adjusting taxation and increasing spending will "fix" things, or increase the well-being of Americans without addressing the root cause.



Once more, and forever until one of us changes our mind: WE DON'T AGREE ON THE ROOT CAUSE, THE PRIMARY CAUSE, THE CAUSE WHICH CAUSES ALL OTHER ECONOMIC PROBLEMS, which is, IN MY OPINION, the worldwide system of private, fractional banking and bankers, OF WHICH our Federal Reserve System is a part.



Now, if you want to get pissed off about that, great. Your choice, though it seems like an incredibly immature choice. I'm not pissed off even though just posts ago you claimed we agree 100 percent. Relax. But, for insurance, one more time:



We don't agree. We both love our country, but we don't agree how to fix it.



Thanks.


How in the world you're going to preach to me in every other sentence about how we both disagree on the "root cause" if you later say it in the same paragraph that it's just your "OPINION". See, this is how I know you don't know what the heck you're talking about. I don't deal with opinions, I DEAL WITH FACTS. And that simple fact is that we have gone for almost 50 years without a major banking crisis in this country while the Federal reserve was in place until the 1980s. We NEVER have gone over a trillion dollars in debt while the Fed was in place until the 1980s. You want to stop boom and busts Paul then raise the top marginal (and capital gains) over 50% and bring back the banking regulators (example Glass Steagall). If we can't get anything done with the Fed 1st, then we can do other important things that will in the mean time look out for the General Welfare of the American people.



People who which you care less about who can starve, rot, and die for all you care if anything isn't done about the freaking Fed first. You don't care about the constitution, you don't care about the American people and you don't care for this country.



I just told you the truth NOW DEAL WITH IT.

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Meh.....
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The thing is, you are not going to change this worldwide system and nothing you say or do is going to change that. We have to focus on what we can actually change right now because without the political will to work together on the issue of the fractional reserve banking that troubles you so much, it will never ever even be discussed. Other than in the circles you run in.


You see, having an economic discussion with libertarians is like talking an cult member out of drinking the Kool-Aid.


Oh yeah. Like what happened to the people in Jonestown, Guyana many years ago.

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Exactly, now if they were to told you that this is the best beer you ever will taste, is it worth being dead over H80W?

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Old June 19th, 2012, 02:01 PM   #33
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[quote name='H80W' timestamp='1340140292' post='408298']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1340139876' post='408295']

[quote name='waitingtables' timestamp='1340108507' post='408258']

The thing is, you are not going to change this worldwide system and nothing you say or do is going to change that. We have to focus on what we can actually change right now because without the political will to work together on the issue of the fractional reserve banking that troubles you so much, it will never ever even be discussed. Other than in the circles you run in.


You see, having an economic discussion with libertarians is like talking an cult member out of drinking the Kool-Aid.


Oh yeah. Like what happened to the people in Jonestown, Guyana many years ago.

[/quote]



Exactly, now if they were to told you that this is the best beer you ever will taste, is it worth being dead over H80W?

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I am loyal to one beer only: Sam Adams. Not James Jones.

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[quote name='H80W' timestamp='1340140292' post='408298']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1340139876' post='408295']

[quote name='waitingtables' timestamp='1340108507' post='408258']

The thing is, you are not going to change this worldwide system and nothing you say or do is going to change that. We have to focus on what we can actually change right now because without the political will to work together on the issue of the fractional reserve banking that troubles you so much, it will never ever even be discussed. Other than in the circles you run in.


You see, having an economic discussion with libertarians is like talking an cult member out of drinking the Kool-Aid.


Oh yeah. Like what happened to the people in Jonestown, Guyana many years ago.

[/quote]



Exactly, now if they were to told you that this is the best beer you ever will taste, is it worth being dead over H80W?

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I am loyal to one beer only: Sam Adams. Not James Jones.

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lol I bet it's still to die for
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[quote name='imaginethat' timestamp='1340095244' post='408249']

[quote name='Fayt' timestamp='1340054059' post='408151']See, there you go again. You always seem to find a way to just piss me off. You care less about our American Constitution and care even less for the well being of the American people. Our government is suppose to protect and defend us from enemies foreign and domestic. However yet, the enemies of our economy are people who are forcing us to race to the bottom in a consumer driven economy. National Security requires that we have a strong economy and we are right now having our backs broken by republicans while you still sit here quietly sitting on your hand telling me that you still support nothing that will metaphorically fix our backs.



You know a lot about the Fed GREAT! Me too. However what's the point if you still economically and Constitutionally stupid (to quote Bill Clinton)


Don't lecture me about respecting the Constitution. Don't make me quote the powers delegated to Congress. Don't make me point out that the Federal Reserve Act is unconstitutional. Don't even say that if it was it would have been challenged by now, because that's wrong.



You like to distill everything down to D vs. R, and you think there's no problem that cannot be solved by adjusting taxation, and federal spending. Fine. Like I said earlier, like I've said 100 times, we don't agree. Let me say it again: We Don't Agree. One more time: WE DON'T AGREE, and it's a damned dishonest debate tactic to unilaterally declare that we DO agree 100 percent on the ROOT CAUSE of booms and busts and bubbles and recessions and recoveries because WE DON'T AGREE on the root cause, and WE DON'T AGREE that adjusting taxation and increasing spending will "fix" things, or increase the well-being of Americans without addressing the root cause.



Once more, and forever until one of us changes our mind: WE DON'T AGREE ON THE ROOT CAUSE, THE PRIMARY CAUSE, THE CAUSE WHICH CAUSES ALL OTHER ECONOMIC PROBLEMS, which is, IN MY OPINION, the worldwide system of private, fractional banking and bankers, OF WHICH our Federal Reserve System is a part.



Now, if you want to get pissed off about that, great. Your choice, though it seems like an incredibly immature choice. I'm not pissed off even though just posts ago you claimed we agree 100 percent. Relax. But, for insurance, one more time:



We don't agree. We both love our country, but we don't agree how to fix it.



Thanks.


How in the world you're going to preach to me in every other sentence about how we both disagree on the "root cause" if you later say it in the same paragraph that it's just your "OPINION". See, this is how I know you don't know what the heck you're talking about. I don't deal with opinions, I DEAL WITH FACTS. And that simple fact is that we have gone for almost 50 years without a major banking crisis in this country while the Federal reserve was in place until the 1980s. We NEVER have gone over a trillion dollars in debt while the Fed was in place until the 1980s. You want to stop boom and busts Paul then raise the top marginal (and capital gains) over 50% and bring back the banking regulators (example Glass Steagall). If we can't get anything done with the Fed 1st, then we can do other important things that will in the mean time look out for the General Welfare of the American people.



People who which you care less about who can starve, rot, and die for all you care if anything isn't done about the freaking Fed first. You don't care about the constitution, you don't care about the American people and you don't care for this country.



I just told you the truth NOW DEAL WITH IT.

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Meh.....

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Meh my aZ#, you're a fool.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 03:04 PM   #35
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WTF Radicalcentrist, what are you talking about?


Just what I said.



Here is a short video, shot on 911, of World Trade Center building 7, which collapsed at 5:19 PM that day. The voice at the end of the video is that of Larry Silverstein, owner of the World Trade Center, indicating that building 7 had been 'pulled,' short for rigged for demolition and demolished by explosives. What do you make of this short video?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=BZmSHTiYa2M
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Old June 19th, 2012, 03:31 PM   #36
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Oh please take it to the conspiracy theory thread.
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JUst answering your question, dear.
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That's fine, now I need you to vote democratic come November.
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There is no difference in the long run. And thus is not a discussion about who one might vote for. This is way beyond that.



Did you watch the video? It is short.
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There is no difference in the long run. And thus is not a discussion about who one might vote for. This is way beyond that.



Did you watch the video? It is short.


There's a huge difference between democrats and republicans. The problem that curse both political parties (largely the right) is huge corporate money that takes small (d) democracy out of the hands of the American people. This is brought to us by the 5 republican judges on the Supreme Court in Citizens United in 2010 (and years before). It is imperative that we keep a democrat in the White House come next election so the disposition of the Supreme Court can change. Then they can roll back the notion that money equals speech and corporations are people. Once again, there's still a massive difference between democrats and republicans. Look at the progressive caucus that have over a 100 members in both House and Senate. Fiscally and Socially, there are major differences.



Just a little something to think about with the elections a few months away.



And yes I've seen the video.
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