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Old June 23rd, 2012, 04:52 AM   #81
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In September, 2010, nine years after 911, my wife and I visited the crash site of flight 93. Here is a shot I took from as close to the site as they would let you go.





I remembered at the time wondering why the TV pictures that were offered at the time didn't show more of a crash seen. I remember wondering, really, where was the plane? Where was the big fire like in New York? I just figured it was too far away from the camera to really see.



Well now I just feel stupid...There WAS no plane. Now, of course, I have to remember that I was watching all this on an SD TV. And the reporter said that there was a plane there. And it was supposedly 1/4 mile away. So even though I couldn't see a plane, I just took his word for it that there was a plane. How could I have been so duped to believe that there was a plane when there obviously was not one?



Here is a shot of the "crash" site, a few hours after the alleged incident. We know that is the case because whatever exploded in that 6' deep hole was still smoldering.



Where is the plane?



Here is a closer shot of the supposed "crash" site:



Where is the plane?



And here is one taken just a bit later, after the smoldering was finished:



Again, NO PLANE. Where did the plane go.



Here is a shot of the Temporary Flight 93 MISinformation Center I took while we were there. This is the building within which the FBI set up its operations to execute the plan regarding how to make the American people believe that there was a plane, when obviously, if there were one, it certainly did not crash here:





While my wife and I were there, a "Local Volunteer" came up to us and offered us the storyline he had been instructed to give to people. According to the "local volunteer," Flight 93 came in from behind and to the left of my perspective in the first photo above. According to this story, by this time in the flight, it was actually turned upside down, the pilot having lost control of the plane at some recent point of the excursion. According to this fellow, as it past the vantage point of my camera, it was 200 feet above the ground, inverted, and traveled at 525 MPH. Get that...525 MPH!



I was really surprised to hear that story because I had always been of the misopinion that Flight 93 had plummeted out of the sky, somewhat vertically. I don't know why I thought that, just the impression I had received, not ever questioning any of this too deeply. So the official story is that Flight 93 was traveling almost parallel to the ground as it hit the ground at 525 MPH. And the result of that crash left a 6' deep hole in the ground, ostensibly where the nose of the plane hit, and two wing impressions from wings that were attached some 50 or 60 feet behind the leading edge of the nose of the plane. And if you look carefully at the photos, the nose and wing impressions area oriented almost perpendicularly to the path the "local volunteer" indicated.



Now anyone who has ever seen a plane come to a skid landing on a runway knows that it takes an decent sized runway for the plane's energy to dissipate. This plane was going at 525 MPH. That translates to 770 feet per second, 2/3 the speed of sound. Yet the only mark made on the countryside was a 6' deep crater, and two wing indentations. And within a few hours, while the ground still smoldered, there was no sign of any plane, no passenger bodies, no blood, no break through of the treeline in the photo. The plane traveling 2/3 the speed of sound, just stopped in mid air, translated into a perpendicular orientation from the one it was on, and then hit the ground vertically, nose first, then wings 50 or 60 feet behind the nose...and then completely disappeared. Oh but of course they did recover a black box flight recorder "soon thereafter..."



Now here is what a real airliner crash site looks like:





Folks, obviously the American people have been duped here, and by people at the highest rank of our civilian government and our military. Why??? Hint: It has something to do with Quantitative Easing.
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Old June 23rd, 2012, 10:25 AM   #82
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I wonder what really happened to Flight 93?



It doesn't appear to have crashed in that field in PA



Maybe it was shot down by the Air Force somewhere else.
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Sounds like it makes sense.


Great article WT, and yeah, with central banks worldwide owned by private parties, no nation has a sovereign fiat currency. Thus, ALL nations are under the control of private bankers, and all efforts to "fix" the economies of nations whose fiat currencies are not sovereign are by definition failures before the efforts even are begun.



And yet, that's the dialogue: What can be done to "fix" the economy ... without fixing the primary problem?



The only honest answer to that question is: Nothing.


The economy can not be fixed with the same values and strategies we have now, but it CAN be fixed. I may require a complete change of system or thinking which is not likely to happen...so yes you are right...nothing At least not on a world level, but I guess we can enlighten ourselves on a personal level and not be apart of the problem or be fooled into trusting a system led by people with little or no credibility.
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I wonder what really happened to Flight 93?



It doesn't appear to have crashed in that field in PA



Maybe it was shot down by the Air Force somewhere else.


Gary, there are certain credible reports that support that it was shot down. But even those are sketchy and doubtful. No bodies. No reliable reports of plane pieces and parts. But one thing seems certain. And that is that the government has lied to us in very material ways. And that just means that we can no trust what they tell us on virtually anything we hear. We can never be sure that an agendas not being furthered by dealing misinformation.
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Same as it ever was.....
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I wonder what really happened to Flight 93?



It doesn't appear to have crashed in that field in PA



Maybe it was shot down by the Air Force somewhere else.


Gary, there are certain credible reports that support that it was shot down. But even those are sketchy and doubtful. No bodies. No reliable reports of plane pieces and parts. But one thing seems certain. And that is that the government has lied to us in very material ways. And that just means that we can no trust what they tell us on virtually anything we hear. We can never be sure that an agendas not being furthered by dealing misinformation.




How did they explain the lack of any remains to the victim's loved ones?
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Same as it ever was.....


Indeed it is, but not the way you mean it.



Folks like you accept the "one-gunman" theory for the JFK assassination, though it's not debatable that the shot that blew out the backside of JFK's head HAD to come from the front.



In other words, you and folks like you are OK that huge crimes can be committed, the perps never identified, as long as you social issues "move forward."



You're bought and paid for. You ought to see this, and admit it, and then, get angry over something FAR more substantial than women's or gay rights and wealth inequality, all worthy issues in their own right, but dwarfed by the backdrop of what would be called a coup in a third-world country.
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Folks, obviously the American people have been duped here, and by people at the highest rank of our civilian government and our military. Why??? Hint: It has something to do with Quantitative Easing.


Oh yes it does.... but unfortunately the ability to put 1 plus 1 together politically has become beyond the ability of most Americans ... never mind 2+2......



And, I know you understand this RC, but the "conspiracy" is not confined by US borders.
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I wonder what really happened to Flight 93?



It doesn't appear to have crashed in that field in PA



Maybe it was shot down by the Air Force somewhere else.


Gary, there are certain credible reports that support that it was shot down. But even those are sketchy and doubtful. No bodies. No reliable reports of plane pieces and parts. But one thing seems certain. And that is that the government has lied to us in very material ways. And that just means that we can no trust what they tell us on virtually anything we hear. We can never be sure that an agendas not being furthered by dealing misinformation.




How did they explain the lack of any remains to the victim's loved ones?

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Gary, good question. And presently I have no answer for you. I am learning more and more about this each day. For example, I just learned that a Vancouver Tribunal, claiming jurisdiction using international law, will be indicating the Bush Administration, and others, as individuals, after Labor Day, concerning their activities and attempts to cover up the real truth of 911. This cover up goes so deep into the levels of the government as to be practically inconceivable. So be looking for that. Of course the American press is doubtful to report on it.
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Folks, obviously the American people have been duped here, and by people at the highest rank of our civilian government and our military. Why??? Hint: It has something to do with Quantitative Easing.


Oh yes it does.... but unfortunately the ability to put 1 plus 1 together politically has become beyond the ability of most Americans ... never mind 2+2......



And, I know you understand this RC, but the "conspiracy" is not confined by US borders.


Yes, I do understand. And i find it interesting that, although President Bush tried unsuccessfully to derail Amy 911 commission at all, that once he saw the writing on the wall, he tried to appoint Henry Kissinger as its chairman. Now has any

one ever stopped to think and imagine why Henry Kissinger, an obvious foreigner, I suppose a German, has been at the forefront of American politics as long as he has? I mean, for what he obviously was privy to during the Nixon administration, he should have been locked up with the rest of the Watergate conspirators. Why is he still being asked to take part in American governmental activities? The answer to that question would likely shed much light on the connection between 911 and quantitative easing as well.
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