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Old July 5th, 2016, 02:49 PM   #11
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The principal creator of the national debt were the policies of Ronald Reagan.

Not "The Democrat/Progressive/Socialist/Communist doctrine".
It was Reagan's rejiggering of the tax system, which reversed the 50 year trend of reduced concentration of wealth and put us on the path of debt and the destruction of the middle class.
Wrong. FDR.
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Old July 5th, 2016, 02:50 PM   #12
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The principal creator of the national debt were the policies of Ronald Reagan.

Not "The Democrat/Progressive/Socialist/Communist doctrine".
It was Reagan's rejiggering of the tax system, which reversed the 50 year trend of reduced concentration of wealth and put us on the path of debt and the destruction of the middle class.

feel free to post any evidence this
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Old July 5th, 2016, 02:53 PM   #13
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The principal creator of the national debt were the policies of Ronald Reagan.

Not "The Democrat/Progressive/Socialist/Communist doctrine".
It was Reagan's rejiggering of the tax system, which reversed the 50 year trend of reduced concentration of wealth and put us on the path of debt and the destruction of the middle class.

Flogging that lie again.


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Old July 6th, 2016, 07:46 AM   #14
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The middle class soared under Reagan. It's everybody since that has reduced the wealth of the middle class
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Old July 6th, 2016, 08:06 AM   #15
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well at least you can respond to an opinion piece w/ an even more opinionated response but hey as long as you start out w/ the phrase "these are the facts" you should be exempt from scrutiny, huh?

nope. it is just that you are a collectivist and anyone who has an opinion that differs must be a war mongering conservative.


I have a few questions since apparently you don't think my facts are real, true facts. 1) Are you saying that the debt has NOT been politicised? That it has not been an essential topic for the GOP where Obama is concerned?
2) Are you saying that the GOP has not broached the subject of our social programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid? 3) Are you saying that the GOP supports increased spending in sectors like education, technology and energy?? 4) Are you saying the GOP wants to DECREASE military spending?
Have AT IT, Sab. Straighten me out on 'the facts'. Scrutinize to your little heart's content.
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Old July 6th, 2016, 08:13 AM   #16
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The middle class soared under Reagan. It's everybody since that has reduced the wealth of the middle class

You know, I understand why conservatives want to rewrite history and pretend that good things happened while a Republican (Reagan) was in office — or claim, that the 1981 Reagan tax cut somehow deserves credit for positive economic developments that didn’t happen until 14 or more years had passed. (Does Richard Nixon get credit for “Morning in America”?)
Unfortunately the facts/data does not support the Reagan ONE-TIME HIT wonder.
Yes, there was a boom in the mid-1980s, as the economy recovered from a severe recession. But while the rich got richer, there was little sustained economic improvement for most Americans. By the late 1980s, middle-class incomes were barely higher than they had been a decade before — and the poverty rate had actually risen.
When the inevitable recession arrived, people felt betrayed — a sense of betrayal that Billy Clinton was able to ride into the White House.
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This either came directly from the leader of the Hive or The Onion.

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...that the 1981 Reagan tax cut somehow deserves credit for positive economic developments that didn’t happen until 14 or more years had passed.
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What a lovely opinion piece by John, who is another clueless moron. But I suppose anyone can create a blog and say what they want...and he is certainly free to disown the U.S. debt. His sweeping statements like 'the government isn't able to repay it's debt so it won't' is akin to the revelation that water is wet.
And I suppose next we'll have the DTT gang comparing the deficit and/or debt to their household budgets. While it was lovely of John to share with us that he owns gold and bit coin and that he lives life "responsibly", it is about as relevant as a potted plant.
The facts are these. This anti-debt crusade is a highly politicized effort to fundamentally undermine our countries social programs--programs like social security, Medicare and Medicaid. The party of fiscal responsibility would like nothing better than to inhibit us from making the crucial public investments in education, technology, energy, and transportation that are necessary to improve society and lay the foundations for future economic growth. The budget/debt doesn't seem to matter when it's military/war debt.
Author John is yet another cog in the wheel of "Love America. Hate Americans".
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I have a few questions since apparently you don't think my facts are real, true facts. 1) Are you saying that the debt has NOT been politicised? That it has not been an essential topic for the GOP where Obama is concerned?
2) Are you saying that the GOP has not broached the subject of our social programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid? 3) Are you saying that the GOP supports increased spending in sectors like education, technology and energy?? 4) Are you saying the GOP wants to DECREASE military spending?
Have AT IT, Sab. Straighten me out on 'the facts'. Scrutinize to your little heart's content.
the debt should be on the top of all politicians list if not the #1 issue. you automatically jump to the conclusion that this is from the GOP perspective and assume that i did too so that is where you lost me. IMO it is not the job of the state to preform any of those actions besides a military to protect our boarders. if the progressives could run a balanced budget and reduce taxes maybe they wouldn't get so much grief for giving shit away. same goes for the military that is ridiculously out of control.

the facts are the government spends like a teenager w/ daddy credit card for the weekend and it is fucking up the economy for the rest of us. it needs to stop and IMO reducing the cash flow into the problem is a good first step to doing that. cutting spending is the next be it welfare, obama care, ending social security, privatizing things like the TSA. there are hundreds if not thousands of corners to cut but they just increase spending year after year.

so to say the debt argument is politicized w/ the purpose of undermining the social programs IMO is disingenuous the debt is an issue regardless of where the money is going and must be addressed.
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