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Old October 22nd, 2010, 08:52 AM   #1
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Poll says Californians oppose legalisation of marijuana

California's marijuana legalization ballot initiative, Proposition 19, is trailing badly, according to a new Los Angeles Times/USC poll, which found likely voters opposing the measure 51% to 39%.



Top candidates for statewide office have opposed the measure. As the Times/USC poll was being conducted last week, U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric Holder announced that the Obama administration would "vigorously enforce" federal narcotics laws, even if the measure passes, and "is considering all available legal and policy options."



The poll, a joint effort by The Times and USC College of Letters, Arts and Sciences, found the measure favored by Democrats and independents, but overwhelmingly opposed by Republicans. Men were split, and women were leaning against it.



Both sides consider mothers a key swing vote and have debated whether the measure would do more to keep marijuana out of the hands of children or would increase use.



Likely voters younger than 40 are in favor of it by 48% to 37%, but older voters, who say they are more enthusiastic about voting in this election, are not. Among likely voters 65 and over, only 28% support the measure, while 59% said they were opposed.



The measure, which needs a majority vote to pass, would allow Californians who are at least 21 to grow up to 25 square feet of marijuana and possess up to an ounce. Cities and counties could authorize commercial cultivation and sales, and could impose taxes.



Some polls have shown Latino voters, initially against legalization, swinging toward it, but the Times/USC poll found they are opposed to it by 2 to 1. White voters also oppose the measure.



Supporters of legalization have sought to appeal to minorities by highlighting statistics showing that they are arrested for marijuana possession at higher rates than whites. Opponents note that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger already has signed a law making possession of an ounce an infraction.



The poll found Proposition 19 leading only in the Central Coast counties and running far behind in the largely conservative Central Valley and in Southern California.



The poll is the second public survey this week to find Proposition 19 failing. Earlier this week, the Public Policy Institute of California released a poll that had the initiative falling short, with 44% for it and 49% opposed, a turnaround from a poll in September that had showed Proposition 19 with majority support.




Prop. 19 trailing badly, poll shows - latimes.com
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None of this matters one bit. If the propostion is passed, some judge will just overturn it shortly thereafter. Voting is meaningless in California.
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None of this matters one bit. If the propostion is passed, some judge will just overturn it shortly thereafter. Voting is meaningless in California.




Surely dope smokers deserve the same rights and protections as tobacco smokers? Or banana skin smokers??



If you get the right Judge you can get anything passed under the 14th Amendment, the new 'Get Out Of Jail Free' carte blanche built into the Constitution.
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California's marijuana legalization ballot initiative, Proposition 19, is trailing badly, according to a new Los Angeles Times/USC poll, which found likely voters opposing the measure 51% to 39%.



Top candidates for statewide office have opposed the measure. As the Times/USC poll was being conducted last week, U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric Holder announced that the Obama administration would "vigorously enforce" federal narcotics laws, even if the measure passes, and "is considering all available legal and policy options."



The poll, a joint effort by The Times and USC College of Letters, Arts and Sciences, found the measure favored by Democrats and independents, but overwhelmingly opposed by Republicans. Men were split, and women were leaning against it.



Both sides consider mothers a key swing vote and have debated whether the measure would do more to keep marijuana out of the hands of children or would increase use.



Likely voters younger than 40 are in favor of it by 48% to 37%, but older voters, who say they are more enthusiastic about voting in this election, are not. Among likely voters 65 and over, only 28% support the measure, while 59% said they were opposed.



The measure, which needs a majority vote to pass, would allow Californians who are at least 21 to grow up to 25 square feet of marijuana and possess up to an ounce. Cities and counties could authorize commercial cultivation and sales, and could impose taxes.



Some polls have shown Latino voters, initially against legalization, swinging toward it, but the Times/USC poll found they are opposed to it by 2 to 1. White voters also oppose the measure.



Supporters of legalization have sought to appeal to minorities by highlighting statistics showing that they are arrested for marijuana possession at higher rates than whites. Opponents note that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger already has signed a law making possession of an ounce an infraction.



The poll found Proposition 19 leading only in the Central Coast counties and running far behind in the largely conservative Central Valley and in Southern California.



The poll is the second public survey this week to find Proposition 19 failing. Earlier this week, the Public Policy Institute of California released a poll that had the initiative falling short, with 44% for it and 49% opposed, a turnaround from a poll in September that had showed Proposition 19 with majority support.




Prop. 19 trailing badly, poll shows - latimes.com


I think it is a bit premature to accurately predict from polls which way California's proposition 19 is going to go.



And, I think it is interesting to note that the Proposition 19 polls whereby an automated polling process is utilized tend, on average, to show the measure passing when compared with a live polling process which tend, on average, to show the proposition failing.



And for anyone interested, they can find a summary of the various polls concerning Proposition 19 here:



California Proposition 19 (2010) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



We shall see what happens on Tuesday...
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Stop Stifling Prop. 19 Supporters



Write Attorney General Eric Holder today and tell him to stay out of the Prop. 19 debate and respect voters' choices!
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Before I left Kabul, I went to a local bar run by an American. It had an outdoor section with hookas on the tables. Normally a sweet spicy substance is smoked that has no intoxicating effect. The night I was there an Afghan came up and put real hash in ours.
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I think it is a bit premature to accurately predict from polls which way California's proposition 19 is going to go.



And, I think it is interesting to note that the Proposition 19 polls whereby an automated polling process is utilized tend, on average, to show the measure passing when compared with a live polling process which tend, on average, to show the proposition failing.



And for anyone interested, they can find a summary of the various polls concerning Proposition 19 here:



California Proposition 19 (2010) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



We shall see what happens on Tuesday...


I Report You Decide!



Even if CA votes Yes smoking dope will still be a Federal offence.
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Even if CA votes Yes smoking dope will still be a Federal offence.
Just make sure the FBI doesn't catch you with it and you should be fine.
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Just make sure the FBI doesn't catch you with it and you should be fine.


Fourteen states already have said "Up yours" to the feds through medical marijuana laws. Yes, it's still against federal law. Up yours, feds. Though cannabis hasn't been completely legalized here in Colorado, the vast majority of LEOs don't give a damn, aren't making arrests baed solely on possession. People who don't use cannabis don't give a damn either, have adopted a live and let live attitude.



Cannabis is de facto legal in Colorado.



Cannabis laws are the domain of the states. Back when Congress actually paid some attention to the Constitution, it was recognized that a federal prohibition of alcohol would require amending the Constitution.



Federal drug laws are unconstitutional. The states have jurisdiction. It's odd that legalization is the only significant response to a federal government that long ago stepped outside of its constitutionally prescribed powers.



Go stoners!!!
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Regardless of what happens in California tomorrow, a more interesting poll to review regarding the American public's stance regarding cannabis is the following:



October 28, 2010



New High of 46% of Americans Support Legalizing Marijuana



Liberals, 18- to 29-year-olds express the highest levels of support



by Elizabeth Mendes



WASHINGTON, D.C. -- While California's marijuana ballot initiative is garnering a lot of attention this election cycle, Gallup finds that nationally, a new high of 46% of Americans are in favor of legalizing use of the drug, and a new low of 50% are opposed. The increase in support this year from 44% in 2009 is not statistically significant, but is a continuation of the upward trend seen since 2000.






These results are from Gallup's annual Crime poll, conducted Oct. 7-10. Approximately 8 in 10 Americans were opposed to legalizing marijuana when Gallup began asking about it in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Support for legalizing the drug jumped to 31% in 2000 after holding in the 25% range from the late 1970s to the mid-1990s.



A separate question in the poll asked about legalizing marijuana for medical use, and found support significantly higher than it is for legalizing the use of marijuana in general. Seventy percent of Americans say they favor making marijuana legally available for doctors to prescribe in order to reduce pain and suffering. This figure is down, however, from 78% in 2005 and 75% in 2003.



Political Leanings, Age Divide Americans' Support for Legalizing Marijuana






Across numerous subgroups, liberals' support, at 72%, is by far the highest. There is widespread support for legalization among 18- to 29-year-olds (61%) as well. Majority support is also found among Democrats, independents, men, and political moderates.



A large majority of those living in the West, which encompasses California, are in favor of making the drug legal. Support is significantly lower in the South and Midwest.



Political conservatives and Republicans are the least supportive of legalizing marijuana. Seniors express a similarly low level of support.



Women are 10 percentage points less likely than men to favor legalizing the drug.



These demographic, political, and ideological differences in support are much the same as they were in 2009.



Bottom Line




Arguments for and against legalizing marijuana -- for personal or medical use -- are likely to continue for years to come. Even if Proposition 19 wins in California on Nov. 2, as state law it will still come up against federal law, which bans the growth and sale of marijuana.



Support for making the drug legal in general, however, is growing among Americans. The public is almost evenly split this year, with 46% in favor and 50% opposed. If the trend of the past decade continues at a similar pace, majority support could be a reality within the next few years.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/144086/Ne...Marijuana.aspx
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Earlier polls in CA showed similar support for legalising marijuana but as the election approaches and people think about it more deeply support is waning fast.



Legalising marijuana will only encourage its use openly, outside of places of work, schools, restaurants and bars etc. People who happen to be close by could suffer more than just smelly clothes.



And it's much more difficult to identify use of marijuana in a scientific way that could be used to prosecute workers or drivers under the influence.



Maybe better to leave things the way they are. Just de-criminalise it and leave the stoners to it, they will always find a way to get their weed.
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Earlier polls in CA showed similar support for legalising marijuana but as the election approaches and people think about it more deeply support is waning fast.



Legalising marijuana will only encourage its use openly, outside of places of work, schools, restaurants and bars etc. People who happen to be close by could suffer more than just smelly clothes.



And it's much more difficult to identify use of marijuana in a scientific way that could be used to prosecute workers or drivers under the influence.



Maybe better to leave things the way they are. Just de-criminalise it and leave the stoners to it, they will always find a way to get their weed.


I think one of the arguments for legalization is the $2B in anticipated tax revenue to the state, along with the hope that commercial growing, sales and non-underground availability will decrease the chance for Cartel beheadings and national forest killings by cartel growers of hapless hikers.



One "study of the studies" recently reported that those polled were more reluctant to state support for legalization to a live poll questioner, so polls by live persons (either in person or on the phone) have to adjust for that reluctance to be accurate, and many pollsters do not.



It will probably lose due to the overwhelming voter enthusiasm gap between conservative and liberal voters tomorrow. Conservatives will kill it. I will vote yes.
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Earlier polls in CA showed similar support for legalising marijuana but as the election approaches and people think about it more deeply support is waning fast.

Legalising marijuana will only encourage its use openly, outside of places of work, schools, restaurants and bars etc. People who happen to be close by could suffer more than just smelly clothes.



And it's much more difficult to identify use of marijuana in a scientific way that could be used to prosecute workers or drivers under the influence.



Maybe better to leave things the way they are. Just de-criminalise it and leave the stoners to it, they will always find a way to get their weed.


I think it is pure conjecture on your part to construe the idea from looking at polls that "people are thinking about it more deeply" and, as a result, "support is waning fast."



And, arguably the most "scientific way" that a person can be found to be actually impaired by marijuana or alcohol is through a blood test. And that sort of testing is significantly more accurate in determining impairment at the time in question and they are less prone to tampering or false positives than a urine test is for marijuana or, in the case of alcohol, a breathalyzer-type test for alcohol. (Heck, simply washing one's mouth out with Listerine just prior to taking a breathalyzer test could likely cause someone to be "above the legal limit" for alcohol.) So, it could be argued that it really isn't "much more difficult to identify use of marijuana in a scientific way" since the most accurate test that can be used, the blood test, can-and I would add should be-used for either case.
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Yes, it will, but still, 14 states have cannabis laws in defiance of the unconstitutional federal drug laws.



It's hard to "cheer" for California, but....



GO CALIFORNIA.



It's ironical states are saying "Up yours" to the feds on this particular issue, but, it needs to be said. The Tenth Amendment still stands, if ignored.
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Legalising marijuana will only encourage its use openly, outside of places of work, schools, restaurants and bars etc. People who happen to be close by could suffer more than just smelly clothes.


That last sentence is pure BS.



It's a state issue. Colorado has de facto legalization. The police don't want to bother with it anymore. Cannabis commercials are on the radio. Life seems pretty much as it's been.



Of course some people abuse pot, and the names stoner and pot head aptly apply to those folks. But, some people abuse alcohol. Some abuse caffeine. Some people abuse food....



All those who do not abuse pot, alcohol, caffeine and food doen't deserve being singled out.



It's typical of human psychology, and a fact that power-brokers know and use, that once an idea makes it into the "common mind," for lack of a better term, it's likely to remain there for a very long time such as, "The Federal Reserve is a part of the federal government, and it's a good and necessary thing."



Anyone challenging one of these ideas will meet stiff resistence if not ridicule and scorn.



A short time spent examining from where society's ideas about the use of cannibis orginated, the corporate interests that lined up behind cannabis prohibition, the racial predjudice which fueled the fire ... the American public was deceived.



And though using cannabis isn't risk free, the risks involved pale before the dangers of alcohol and tobacco. As an example of an oft-quoted and accepted danger of cannabis intoxication: People high lose depth perception, and/or motor control, and shouldn't drive a car. Pure poppycock, total BS.



Many industrial interests still oppose legalization for greedy reasons. Hemp produces fiber far more suitable for paper production. If the same acres devoted to corn-based ethanol were used to grow hemp, a far higher energy out/energy in yield would be realized, and the seed mash remaining is nutritious food suitable for people or livestock.



Never mind the entire legal system that wastes time and money persecuting pot "offenders" and building and operating prisons.



Prohibition is insane, unconstitutional, and Mr. Holder is a fool, but no surprise there.
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Oh well...Proposition 19 didn't pass.



But, I'm sure we haven't yet heard the end of the campaign to end the state-level marijuana prohibition in California...nor at the federal level.



And, I am certain that, given the fairly consistent and steady rise in support at the national level for marijuana legalization during the past four decades, ballot measures like these will eventually pass.



And, I find it interesting to note that the 46% support this particular measure received in California closely matches the results of the latest Gallup poll that I cited earlier in this thread that has been tracking nationwide opinion on the legalize marijuana question for the past forty years.



I think it is just a matter of time.
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Legalising marijuana will only encourage its use openly, outside of places of work, schools, restaurants and bars etc. People who happen to be close by could suffer more than just smelly clothes.



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That last sentence is pure BS.




How so?



If you happen to be standing close to somebody smoking a joint and you unintentionally inhale the fumes why will you not suffer the consequences?



It's no different from being close to someone smoking a fag (cigarette).

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