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Old June 16th, 2015, 08:16 AM   #11
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"The only reason "old ladies get hit for their purses" is because illegal drugs are expensive and an true addict will do whatever he/she has to get his/her drug".
So you both overstated your case. Still, you are further off base than he is...as always.
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Well I suppose you might hit an old lady over the head for her purse because your trying to get money for your kid's college tuition or you just really, really, really like that purse and can't afford to buy your own.
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So you both overstated your case. Still, you are further off base than he is...as always.
How so?
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Old June 16th, 2015, 08:20 AM   #14
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So the lack of drug use in Portugal is directly attributable only to decimalization?
Well, that made it possible for addicts to avoid bad drugs and seek medical help for their addiction. Mix that with the evil socialist medical system in Portugal and there you have it.

You don't seem to know much about the topic and you aren't asking very intelligent questions. Perhaps you should read more and post less in topics you are ignorant of (beyond RW/Christian evangelical propaganda).
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give people all the the meth, cocaine, crack and heroin they want for free. (that is, paid for by the government)

the catch is, they have to take a lethal dose.
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So the lack of drug use in Portugal is directly attributable only to decimalization?
Given the fact that these changes occurred at that point and that was the only difference seen where drug use increased in the rest of Europe, yup.

But by that, I mean the total program Portugal undertook as summarized in the link I posted.
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give people all the the meth, cocaine, crack and heroin they want for free. (that is, paid for by the government)

the catch is, they have to take a lethal dose.
Well, you are half right.
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Old June 16th, 2015, 08:23 AM   #18
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Oh Hell, think about what you just said. Oh, of course, it won't stop crime but it will eliminate crimes for money to feed a habit...and all those possession crime and of course the deaths from ODs (always exaggerated) and contaminates would essentially go away.

Yeah, making drugs cheap and legal would eliminate the vast majority of related crime. Funny how when you legalize something the associates crimes and arrests go away.

But, seriously speaking (although I HAVE been serious up to now as well), The important question to ask ourselves is WHY these things are illegal. We NEVER really had an epidemic of drug use. That was all propaganda. The War on Drugs itself originated as a political ploy by Nixon to capitalize on national fear of the crime epidemic (which was already over...if in fact there ever was an epidemic) to gain votes. The laws were specifically crafted to create large numbers of arrests by targeting end users...never had been done before. It worked fabulously. It is still working fabulously for police, drug "educators", drug "therapists" and the incarceration industry.

The question becomes, why are you advocating for bad legislation that never should have been passed? How do you defend that position? How do we undo all the harm to our society, culture and millions of individuals and families?

So, yeah, REALLY!
Massive unemployment. I don't care how cheap illegal drugs get, if you don't have the money to buy them your going to commit a crime to get them. I personally don't think users should be imprisoned. It's a waist of time and money. Dealers, is a different matter.
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Massive unemployment. I don't care how cheap illegal drugs get, if you don't have the money to buy them your going to commit a crime to get them. I personally don't think users should be imprisoned. It's a waist of time and money. Dealers, is a different matter.
Ever heard of the PIGS countries. The P in that is for Portugal.
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Given the fact that these changes occurred at that point and that was the only difference seen where drug use increased in the rest of Europe, yup.

But by that, I mean the total program Portugal undertook as summarized in the link I posted.
If you had posted an example that came anyway near the population or geographic area of the U.S. that example would have some credence. It's interesting, and good for Portugal but, we're not Portugal.
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