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Old June 15th, 2015, 10:20 PM   #1
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If not "The War on Drugs", what?

I have been reading and watching shows like YouTube speaking about the "War on Drugs" and how awful it is. I agree, especially with asset forfeitures and the militarization of police, not to mention people strung out on pharmaceuticals they got legally from a doctor. But if this "War on Drugs" ceased, what would take its place?

Illicit drugs like cocaine, crack cocaine, meth and heroin should not be legalized. First question, how would you legalize them? By just allowing black market dealers to be able to sell above ground? If these substances were legalized, what business in their right minds would sell it? Yes, cocaine, meth and heroin are worse and more addictive than alcohol. Yes, cigarettes are legal, addictive and deadly, but old ladies aren't getting knocked over their heads for their purse to buy a pack of smokes.

People who become addicted to narcotic drugs or cocaine should be able to go through a "drug court" and be able to go to rehab for 90 days and then a time of strict probation for a year, and be able to have any arrest record expunged. People who sell this shit should be in prison for life or executed (for heroin, coke, crack and meth). I was a cocaine addict in the 1990's so I know. They could legally sell crack rocks for 10 cents, and if I started back on that shit, I would be broke on the streets hitting old ladies for their purses.

I support the legalization of marijuana. Go weed. I think a lot of the resources on the "War on Drugs" is mostly catching marijuana. If marijuana were out of the equation, how much more could be done to fight the bad shit? If the War on Drugs ended, would the drugs be legalized, or no enforcement on people using them? Or head shops selling hard drugs? What?

I hear a lot about stopping The War on Drugs and how wasteful it is. Well, police are wasteful expenditures also, if assholes would stop being creeps and committing crimes, there would not be a need for them I just don't see any other model of either legalization or alternate enforcement which would work.

So what are the options.....to the WAR ON DRUGS?
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Question, why wouldn't you legalize cocaine, crack, meth, or heroin? People who are set to do those drugs are going to do them whether they are legal or not. Legislating morality does nothing but put people in prison for a problem. If it is legalized, it takes money away from the cartels and into the government's pocket, and more over lets people get help for their addictions.

How do you feel about psychedelics? Should LSD, mushrooms, DMT, etc be legalized? Or would you consider them illicit drugs along the lines of cocaine and such?

Just to clarify I only smoke weed, drink, and get an occasional cig, and I've been trying to get psychedelics, so I'm not some closet heroin addict trying to justify his addiction.
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I have been reading and watching shows like YouTube speaking about the "War on Drugs" and how awful it is. I agree, especially with asset forfeitures and the militarization of police, not to mention people strung out on pharmaceuticals they got legally from a doctor. But if this "War on Drugs" ceased, what would take its place?

Illicit drugs like cocaine, crack cocaine, meth and heroin should not be legalized. First question, how would you legalize them? By just allowing black market dealers to be able to sell above ground? If these substances were legalized, what business in their right minds would sell it? Yes, cocaine, meth and heroin are worse and more addictive than alcohol. Yes, cigarettes are legal, addictive and deadly, but old ladies aren't getting knocked over their heads for their purse to buy a pack of smokes.

People who become addicted to narcotic drugs or cocaine should be able to go through a "drug court" and be able to go to rehab for 90 days and then a time of strict probation for a year, and be able to have any arrest record expunged. People who sell this shit should be in prison for life or executed (for heroin, coke, crack and meth). I was a cocaine addict in the 1990's so I know. They could legally sell crack rocks for 10 cents, and if I started back on that shit, I would be broke on the streets hitting old ladies for their purses.

I support the legalization of marijuana. Go weed. I think a lot of the resources on the "War on Drugs" is mostly catching marijuana. If marijuana were out of the equation, how much more could be done to fight the bad shit? If the War on Drugs ended, would the drugs be legalized, or no enforcement on people using them? Or head shops selling hard drugs? What?

I hear a lot about stopping The War on Drugs and how wasteful it is. Well, police are wasteful expenditures also, if assholes would stop being creeps and committing crimes, there would not be a need for them I just don't see any other model of either legalization or alternate enforcement which would work.

So what are the options.....to the WAR ON DRUGS?
The only reason "old ladies get hit for their purses" is because illegal drugs are expensive and an true addict will do whatever he/she has to get his/her drug.
Drugs are expensive only because the business of smuggling and distributing illegal drugs is expensive. Nothing particularly expensive about the production of those drugs if it were legal. Most drugs I would treat the same way as we know treat cigarettes and alcohol.
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The only reason "old ladies get hit for their purses" is because illegal drugs are expensive and an true addict will do whatever he/she has to get his/her drug.
Drugs are expensive only because the business of smuggling and distributing illegal drugs is expensive. Nothing particularly expensive about the production of those drugs if it were legal. Most drugs I would treat the same way as we know treat cigarettes and alcohol.
Making drugs cheap will stop crime? Really?
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Making drugs cheap will stop crime? Really?
Yes, or decrease it significantly.

I only know of one large scale experiment, Portugal. They didn't make drugs legal but they decriminalized all drug usage/possession. Use rates dropped and associated petty crime that addicts were committing to feed their habits dropped. The drop in demand caused prices to drop, and that did not drive up the usage.

There are lots of studies on this that US LEOs just don't want to see or hear. Nor our current PM, but he is toast come October, I hope.

Here is a good summary - 14 Years After Decriminalizing All Drugs, Here's What Portugal Looks Like - Mic
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I said that? Where?
I assumed you were shape enough to understand I was talking about drug-related crimes, and not all crime. Apparantly I was wrong to assume that.
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I said that? Where?
I assumed you were shape enough to understand I was talking about drug-related crimes, and not all crime. Apparantly I was wrong to assume that.
"The only reason "old ladies get hit for their purses" is because illegal drugs are expensive and an true addict will do whatever he/she has to get his/her drug".
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Yes, or decrease it significantly.

I only know of one large scale experiment, Portugal. They didn't make drugs legal but they decriminalized all drug usage/possession. Use rates dropped and associated petty crime that addicts were committing to feed their habits dropped. The drop in demand caused prices to drop, and that did not drive up the usage.

There are lots of studies on this that US LEOs just don't want to see or hear. Nor our current PM, but he is toast come October, I hope.

Here is a good summary - 14 Years After Decriminalizing All Drugs, Here's What Portugal Looks Like - Mic
So the lack of drug use in Portugal is directly attributable only to decimalization?
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"The only reason "old ladies get hit for their purses" is because illegal drugs are expensive and an true addict will do whatever he/she has to get his/her drug".
Well I suppose you might hit an old lady over the head for her purse because your trying to get money for your kid's college tuition or you just really, really, really like that purse and can't afford to buy your own.
People like you are part of the reason we can't have decent conversations/debate in this joint.
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Making drugs cheap will stop crime? Really?
Oh Hell, think about what you just said. Oh, of course, it won't stop crime but it will eliminate crimes for money to feed a habit...and all those possession crime and of course the deaths from ODs (always exaggerated) and contaminates would essentially go away.

Yeah, making drugs cheap and legal would eliminate the vast majority of related crime. Funny how when you legalize something the associates crimes and arrests go away.

But, seriously speaking (although I HAVE been serious up to now as well), The important question to ask ourselves is WHY these things are illegal. We NEVER really had an epidemic of drug use. That was all propaganda. The War on Drugs itself originated as a political ploy by Nixon to capitalize on national fear of the crime epidemic (which was already over...if in fact there ever was an epidemic) to gain votes. The laws were specifically crafted to create large numbers of arrests by targeting end users...never had been done before. It worked fabulously. It is still working fabulously for police, drug "educators", drug "therapists" and the incarceration industry.

The question becomes, why are you advocating for bad legislation that never should have been passed? How do you defend that position? How do we undo all the harm to our society, culture and millions of individuals and families?

So, yeah, REALLY!
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