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Old October 2nd, 2015, 04:33 AM   #21
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Ohio is set to vote on the most liberal weed law yet come next month, even a Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court is for it. I expected to see a lot of anti-weed commercials on TV but have not seen one. The local TV news stations in Columbus are for passage. If it passes this will liven up the tailgate parties at the Horseshoe (OSU football stadium). Go Bucks!
I don't think it will pass. There are 10 greedy investors that have set up a monopoly and acquired the required signatures to get it on the ballot this November. Who votes in a non-presidential year ? Old people, that's who. Why wouldn't they wait till 2016 when the turnout would be more demographically favorable ? Because these 10 investors are desperate to corner the market. I think it will fail in November.
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I don't think it will pass. There are 10 greedy investors that have set up a monopoly and acquired the required signatures to get it on the ballot this November. Who votes in a non-presidential year ? Old people, that's who. Why wouldn't they wait till 2016 when the turnout would be more demographically favorable ? Because these 10 investors are desperate to corner the market. I think it will fail in November.
If it does not pass in 2015 it will be on the ballot again in 2016. I vote every year but by absentee ballot in November because that is when I Snow Bird.
edit: "10 greedy investors", the initiative will allow you to grow your own for personal use. No way can you corner the market, just like growing your own sweet corn patch that you eat rather than buying sweet corn ears at the grocery store.
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On the A&E show Intervention, what jumps right out at you with regards to hard drug use is the existence of a traumatic event earlier in life. Either sexual molestation or an unexpected tragic death or parents with a history of hard drug use. To blame marijuana as a gateway drug always has seemed foolish to me. My late teens and early twenties happened in the 80's. I and many friends smoked our share of herb. I don't personally know of any of them going on to hard drugs. Legalization efforts out west have emboldened me. I now feel that it is my fundamental right to choose a nice herb buzz over an alcohol buzz. I want it to be legalized in Ohio.
I was in drug treatment for a hard drug addiction in the 1990s, actually three different places and I have to this day never been 100 percent sober. I no longer smoke crack cocaine nor have I since 2001, because I left the USA for China where the drug does not exist, and the drug left my system, and learned easily to live without that shit. Yay! Still drink and smoke marijuana. Love marijuana. Slightly off the subject.....

I watch Intervention and you are correct, people who are doing hard drugs are mostly "medicating" themselves and there is a reason for this. Depression, Bipolar disorder, trauma, PTSD, sexual issues, other mental disorders. Something. I know this because I was around these people in "treatment" and 12 Step meetings.

There is no "disease" in addiction and it drives me up a wall when I watch these shows and the "professionals" call it a disease. It isn't, it is a habit. Tonight (10/4) they had Patrick Kennedy, son of the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, who claimed addiction was a "disease" and a genetic disease since his parents were both chemically addicted to mainly alcohol and pills. NO DIPSHIT. You LEANRED your habits from your parents. Patrick (and this is not to make fun of him) has an actually mental disorder, like bipolar, so with learning habits from his folks is naturally going to gravitate to drink and drug use!

I said this before, the true "gateway" drugs are tobacco and alcohol, which are deadly substances. THC is non toxic. One cannot consume enough THC to kill themselves. Smoking marijuana for a whole lifetime is not necessarily harmless. I was with my best friend this weekend. Great guy and actually smart in many ways, but I think has depression issues, has been using pot since he was 14 or so, and basically barely has a pot to piss in, lives in a shitbox house in a crappy neighborhood, drives a 20 year old truck, and his goofy drug taking sister is not any better. Neither am I. BUT, pot is not near as bad, dangerous, or deadly as alcohol. I can buy alcohol, marijuana is illegal. That makes no sense. I and my buddy smoked a bowl yesterday, kicked back, had a nice conversation, saw the goofy sister, got high with her and moved on. Not hungover or sick. Shrug.
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Cannabis being a "gateway" drug is a seriously flawed concept.

How about coffee or soft drinks are gateway drugs? I bet every crackhead or junkie did caffeinated sodas before he/she did crack or junk.

Or, how about mother's milk, or for the mammary-deprived, baby formula?
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I was in drug treatment for a hard drug addiction in the 1990s, actually three different places and I have to this day never been 100 percent sober. I no longer smoke crack cocaine nor have I since 2001, because I left the USA for China where the drug does not exist, and the drug left my system, and learned easily to live without that shit. Yay! Still drink and smoke marijuana. Love marijuana. Slightly off the subject.....

I watch Intervention and you are correct, people who are doing hard drugs are mostly "medicating" themselves and there is a reason for this. Depression, Bipolar disorder, trauma, PTSD, sexual issues, other mental disorders. Something. I know this because I was around these people in "treatment" and 12 Step meetings.

There is no "disease" in addiction and it drives me up a wall when I watch these shows and the "professionals" call it a disease. It isn't, it is a habit. Tonight (10/4) they had Patrick Kennedy, son of the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, who claimed addiction was a "disease" and a genetic disease since his parents were both chemically addicted to mainly alcohol and pills. NO DIPSHIT. You LEANRED your habits from your parents. Patrick (and this is not to make fun of him) has an actually mental disorder, like bipolar, so with learning habits from his folks is naturally going to gravitate to drink and drug use!

I said this before, the true "gateway" drugs are tobacco and alcohol, which are deadly substances. THC is non toxic. One cannot consume enough THC to kill themselves. Smoking marijuana for a whole lifetime is not necessarily harmless. I was with my best friend this weekend. Great guy and actually smart in many ways, but I think has depression issues, has been using pot since he was 14 or so, and basically barely has a pot to piss in, lives in a shitbox house in a crappy neighborhood, drives a 20 year old truck, and his goofy drug taking sister is not any better. Neither am I. BUT, pot is not near as bad, dangerous, or deadly as alcohol. I can buy alcohol, marijuana is illegal. That makes no sense. I and my buddy smoked a bowl yesterday, kicked back, had a nice conversation, saw the goofy sister, got high with her and moved on. Not hungover or sick. Shrug.
Good up on kicking the rocks. I've never bought into that "it's a disease"'mentality. My theory is its just a way to get insurance to pay for overpriced treatment centers.
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Ohio is set to vote on the most liberal weed law yet come next month, even a Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court is for it. I expected to see a lot of anti-weed commercials on TV but have not seen one. The local TV news stations in Columbus are for passage. If it passes this will liven up the tailgate parties at the Horseshoe (OSU football stadium). Go Bucks!
You forgot to mention that they are creating a legal monopoly where only the funders of the legalization campaign can grow it. The whole thing is silly and reactionary. They legalize it in two states, they see moderate success (not nearly as much as the pretend to have), and everyone else tries to push for legalization. Very silly. There has been no long term studies whatsoever and too push for legalization immediately is immature. Im not surprised that pot heads would act immature though.
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You forgot to mention that they are creating a legal monopoly where only the funders of the legalization campaign can grow it. The whole thing is silly and reactionary. They legalize it in two states, they see moderate success (not nearly as much as the pretend to have), and everyone else tries to push for legalization. Very silly. There has been no long term studies whatsoever and too push for legalization immediately is immature. Im not surprised that pot heads would act immature though.
Now that you've set us straight, feel free to mix yourself up a martini and pop an anti-depressant.
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You forgot to mention that they are creating a legal monopoly where only the funders of the legalization campaign can grow it. The whole thing is silly and reactionary. They legalize it in two states, they see moderate success (not nearly as much as the pretend to have), and everyone else tries to push for legalization. Very silly. There has been no long term studies whatsoever and too push for legalization immediately is immature. Im not surprised that pot heads would act immature though.
You also forgot to write "IMO" or do you actually Know any of that to be true?
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You also forgot to write "IMO" or do you actually Know any of that to be true?
Yes, I live in Ohio and know that they are creating legal monopolies. They are not even trying to hide the fact. It is widely known here.
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You forgot to mention that they are creating a legal monopoly where only the funders of the legalization campaign can grow it. The whole thing is silly and reactionary. They legalize it in two states, they see moderate success (not nearly as much as the pretend to have), and everyone else tries to push for legalization. Very silly. There has been no long term studies whatsoever and too push for legalization immediately is immature. Im not surprised that pot heads would act immature though.
Nigga have you even touched cannabis?
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