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Old October 22nd, 2015, 10:19 AM   #11
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Some interesting and disturbing statistics on hard drug use in coal country here.

Obama promotes anti-heroin strategy in coal country - BBC News
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The number of lethal heroin overdoses in the US has nearly tripled in three years, experts write, with more than 8,250 people dying every year.
The number of those who've overdosed on prescription drugs has also jumped. About 23,000 people died in 2013, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, twice the number from 2001.
Not only are Schedule 2 drugs leading people to heroin, along the way they're killing three times as many people as heroin.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 10:24 AM   #12
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i bet the private prison people are gonna be pissed if they lose all their drug offenders. prisons should have never gone private in the first place.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 11:11 AM   #13
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I have said for years we should LEGALIZE, TAX AND REGULATE. People are going to use them. Nothing we can do to stop them. What we can do is treat them when they are ready to get off the drugs. We'd save TEN OF BILLIONS of dollars each year not fighting the war on drugs and not putting people in prison. Taxed a regulated we could turn a massive drain of resources and money into a profit stream for every level of government.
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OMG! No shit!
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 11:19 AM   #15
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Seriously?
Yes.

The hard core are the people who've taken great pride in themselves for being better human beings, more moral, than those dirty, amoral potheads.

For many people, replacing that "feel good" attitude would be a daunting endeavor, maybe not possible because it feels so good.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 05:17 PM   #16
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Yes.

The hard core are the people who've taken great pride in themselves for being better human beings, more moral, than those dirty, amoral potheads.

For many people, replacing that "feel good" attitude would be a daunting endeavor, maybe not possible because it feels so good.
I'm always surprised by the number of gullible, dumb-as-a-fucking-rock people there are in this country.
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Where they went wrong was in calling it a "War" and then treating it like one.
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Where they went wrong was in calling it a "War" and then treating it like one.
Actually you got it wrong. They got it wrong by calling it a war and then not treating it like a war.

Singapore declared a war on drugs. I have been to Singapore many many many times for extended periods. Singapore may not be drug free, but its damn close. They do not fuck around with it. If you get caught bringing drugs into Singapore, you are given a fair trial. If found guilty, they hang you. Singapore had a big time heroin problem. They did the methadone route. Ended up with alot of methadone addicts. So, they got serious and declared war. It worked for them. At the same time the opened up rehab and people could willingly come and be placed in rehab. From many discussions I have had with my Singaporean friends, it seems to work. Dont get me wrong, there is alot of them who think its to strict on pot, but you cant argue with the result.

The thing I found baffling is, that we have drones bowing up shit all over the place over terrorists, who are assholes but none the less have not been responsible for nearly as many dead Americans as Cocaine and Heroin have. But, never once did I hear of a drone strike or US military in South America burning and destroying coca plantations, or taking out the cartel leadership. Sure, we have had some big arrests. Panama, but that was not just about he drugs. My point is, we never really went to war. What we did was found a way to transfer wealth. But, I dont want to get all bogged down in Justice Department, policy, money to cops, civil forfeiture etc. etc.

Legalizing all drugs in the US is a bat shit stupid idea. Portugal is the only nation to have ever done that. Make your own judgement, keeping in mind its Portugal, not the United States.

Marijuana should have been and should be legalized federally. Regulate it and treat it like Alcohol. Lets get the under the influence testing for it up to par. No body should be losing their careers over smoking a joint 20 days before some random piss test.
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Singapore drug death penalties:

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That looks rally harsh. It is harsh. But, it worked. I also understand that Singapore is not a good comparison to the United States. But, I still think it proves that a war on drugs would work, but you got to be willing to go to war.
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