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Old October 26th, 2015, 09:47 AM   #21
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Legalizing all drugs in the US is a bat shit stupid idea. Portugal is the only nation to have ever done that. Make your own judgement, keeping in mind its Portugal, not the United States.

Explain ??? Why is it such a bat shit bad idea ?? It seems we have a choice. Go to the extreme like Singapore or legalize. What we're doing now certainly isn't working. Why do you think it such a bad idea. I see all sorts of benefits from legalizing it.
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There is no war on drugs never has been.

If there were drug dealers would have been executed for treason.

and addict treated as civilian casualties.
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How abut making all drugs free and legal; and just letting nature take it's course. Natural Selection, with no medical care for OD's.
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There is no war on drugs never has been.

If there were drug dealers would have been executed for treason.

and addict treated as civilian casualties.
There is absolutely a war going on. We have 1.4 MILLION POW's (non violent drug offenders) currently in prison. We have 7000 plus drug related murders each year. We have police with military grade weapons and tactics. Yeah tell me there isn't a war going on.
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There is absolutely a war going on. We have 1.4 MILLION POW's (non violent drug offenders) currently in prison. We have 7000 plus drug related murders each year. We have police with military grade weapons and tactics. Yeah tell me there isn't a war going on.
No war until you begin excuting dealers for treason (during war time)


Police turn their backs to most drug deals... because most end with catch and release.
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No war until you begin excuting dealers for treason (during war time)


Police turn their backs to most drug deals... because most end with catch and release.
The police may not be executing dealers, but OTHER DEALERS certainly are doing a pretty good job. 85% of ALL violent crime is drug related. If that statistic is true then I was wrong. It's not 7000 murders, it's almost 12,000 drug related executions. Besides, we don't EXECUTE the enemy once they've been caught. We kill them in combat, but once they're captured, we don't execute them, and certainly NOT for treason !!!

Catch and release ?? Tell that to the 1.4 MILLION people sitting in prison for non violent drug offenses !!! We have more prisoners than CHINA who has nearly FOUR TIMES our population.
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No war until you begin excuting dealers for treason (during war time)


Police turn their backs to most drug deals... because most end with catch and release.
Eddie Slovak was the last person to be sentenced by general court martial for execution during WW2. At least the execution was carried out by firing squad and not the noose.
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Explain ??? Why is it such a bat shit bad idea ?? It seems we have a choice. Go to the extreme like Singapore or legalize. What we're doing now certainly isn't working. Why do you think it such a bad idea. I see all sorts of benefits from legalizing it.
For starters only Portugal has done that. So far it seems to be working for them. The entire population of Portugal is 10.46 million people. Actually, its a lie to say drugs are legal in Portugal. They decriminalized it to an extent, and put in place mandatory rehab for offenders. But, the main thing is 10.46 million. Entire population. Also, feel free to look it up your self, but the drug use in Portugal was lower than the United States percentage wise. The choice we have is some of both. Legalize Marijuana. Get it out of the dark. Demand the DOJ quit paying local law enforcement cash rewards for "drug seizures". Take that money and put it into rehab. No more civil forfeiture. Now, throw a little Singapore in it, and actually make mandatory hard core sentences for people who actually have over (fill in the blank amount?) and our dealing.
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For starters only Portugal has done that. So far it seems to be working for them. The entire population of Portugal is 10.46 million people. Actually, its a lie to say drugs are legal in Portugal. They decriminalized it to an extent, and put in place mandatory rehab for offenders. But, the main thing is 10.46 million. Entire population. Also, feel free to look it up your self, but the drug use in Portugal was lower than the United States percentage wise. The choice we have is some of both. Legalize Marijuana. Get it out of the dark. Demand the DOJ quit paying local law enforcement cash rewards for "drug seizures". Take that money and put it into rehab. No more civil forfeiture. Now, throw a little Singapore in it, and actually make mandatory hard core sentences for people who actually have over (fill in the blank amount?) and our dealing.
You didn't actually answer my question about WHY it's such a bad idea. If anything you reinforced my argument.

Of the 2 million people currently in U.S. prisons, 1.4 million of them are non violent drug offenders, many of them serving long mandatory sentences from the Raygun "get tough on drug" days. Looks like we've got more than a "little Singapore" but the drugs keep flowing.

So how about this. Legalize them. ALL of them. Tax, regulate for purity, content and where they can be sold. Like tobacco and liquor stores.

First, access. The truth is kids can get drugs easier than either alcohol or tobacco. Taking it out of the shadows and into the daylight will limit access.

Two, eliminate most overdoses. Most are accidental. You dealer got busted last night so you bought from a different dealer tonight. You had no idea the stuff you bought today was 3 times stronger, or was cut with something more poisonous than the drug it self. If new needles came with each dose we could slow the spread of AIDS and Hep C.

Three, and the most important part. The DoJ says as much as 85% of all violence is drug related. Either dealers fighting over territory. Drug deals gone bad. Or as happened in one neighborhood I lived in, the buyer flashed his cash while making his buy, and the dealer just decided to rob him. Shot him dead in the middle of the street. Also people committing robberies to get money to buy their drugs. The Mexican cartels are increasingly violent and ever more willing to cross the border and bring that violence here as they try to control the trade. Drugs are funding the Taliban in Afghanistan and probably through them numerous other Jihadist organization.

Four, pricing. The last I heard was it cost $300 or so dollars to make a kilo of cocaine. That same kilo sells for $30,000 to as much as $60,000 dollars. WHY ?? Simply because it's illegal. The same is true of most drugs. An OxyContin that costs $5 with a prescription sells for as much as $60 dollars on the street. Even with a 300% to 500% tax, the drugs would be vastly cheaper. Why should we care about the price of drugs ?? WHERE do you think people get money for these drugs ?? They rob and steal.

Five, less violent crime, fewer armed robberies, but also fewer property crimes. Less people breaking into your house or car to steal sellable items to pay for their drugs.

Six, revenue generation and huge savings in government spending. We SPEND billions upon billions of dollars each year fighting the "war on drugs" The cost including policing, courts, prisons, by some estimates well over ONE TRILLION dollars. And yet we stop less than 2% of the drugs flowing into this country. Were also sending billions and billions of dollars OUT of the country since most of the drugs are grown or manufactured over seas. One study said 60% of the profits from the heroine trade is going to the TALIBAN !!! We are now funding the very terrorists we've spent 12 years and another nearly Trillion dollars fighting. How many jobs would be created here if we brought the trade home ??? We grow too much food anyway. We spend billions on farm subsidies. Save that money, let them convert to opium, pot or coca. How many bad guys would we defund if we handled it all here legally.

Lastly. Every time we go after one drug, something new and usually worse takes it's place. We went after the heroine (invented ironically by Bayer Drugs) prices sky rocketed. Then came the flood of cocaine. Again we spent billions in south America fighting the trade. Supplies slowed slightly, prices sky rocketed and then came crack. We went after the crack and now I can't buy a god damned package of allergy medicine with out showing my drivers licenses and having my name put in a national registry, because it's used to make meth !!

There's also an inherent imbalance in the justice system. If you're white and middle class, you get busted, you get the option of rehab. If your poor and brown, you're going to jail.

What we're doing simply isn't working. It's time to try something else. How many times have you and others on here complained that government regulations are "ruining" this or that ?? Let the government regulate the drugs !!!!!!! We'll free up enormous amounts of prison space to put the truly violent. Not only will we save trillions of dollars, we'll actually make money on the trade. We can fund not just rehab but low income medical care for lots of people. Screw Obamacare, just set up clinics all over the country funded by the drug trade.
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