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Old October 27th, 2015, 09:27 PM   #51
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You obviously did not read what I said. Or, you chose to ignore it to input your own narrative. Just to keep it honest. Here is what I said.
Just to keep it honest you also said:

"Just to make sure I am understanding this logic
1. Prescription drugs kill more people than illegal drugs do.
2. Prescription drugs that are opiates are the big winner are the most popular.
3. legalizing opium/heroin will have no affect, since people are already overdosing on prescription drugs.
4. Making it legal would actually decrease drug use and od rate. Because with all the people who prescription shop to get opiates, there would be no way they would immediately all jump at the now much easier to get legal drugs.
5. Making illegal drugs legal, and removing the hurdle to aquire them, will immediately lower the addiction rate! And, if they are cheaper than pharmaceuticals, people would start saving money and self medicating! Brilliant!

Now does that sum up the argument for why we should make smack, crack, coke and meth all over the counter use it all you want kind of warm and fuzzy legal?"

And you said:

"Interesting enough, I dont see the strategy in place to increase the means to acquire alcohol. Thats strange. Haven't we just proven that if you make it more readily available then the number of deaths and addiction will go down. God the CDC is dumb. Actually the more I read the CDC report, the more I wonder why you posted it. You realize you just made the argument why making hard core drugs, which in fact are still killing more people than alcohol poisoning, readily available will make it worse.

Alcohol is number five on the list. Unspecified is strange. But, so far, the argument I am seeing to make all drugs just legal is making my argument for me. Basically, your saying alcohol is number five on the list and its legal. So therefore, if we just legalize the drugs that are above it as recreational, it will make things better. Just think that through real slow like."

And you said:

"Trying, or ok we can say doing. Yes, I do. There is a reason no other nation has went full tilt boogey legalizing hard core drugs. Portugal is the closest. A nation of 10.6 million people. Its a dumb idea. For starters, I guess now we got to regulate all of it for quality. So, now the meth bathtub or shake n bake chemist has some competition. Now, he can put his cheaper product out their. Cuz I guarantee ya that red neck meth head will make a batch a lot cheaper than the gubbermint regulated stuff. So, lets be honest, we will never get away from drug enforcement side. Do you really want to legalize something that a person can overdose on, for recreational use? Yeah yeah I get the whole prescription drug thing, but that's prescription drugs. At least there is some regulation in it. So what now. Do you propose a heroin stamp? A monthly limit? Do you even comprehend the regulation you would have to have in place to "legalize" heroin, meth, and cocaine? You really think we should just legalize something, that you can readily overdose on, for recreational purpose? That's just bat shit dumb. I might be very libertarian in a lot of ways, but I don't want people driving drunk, and I do not want someone turning 21 and celebrating by overdosing on "heroin" since its the new rite of passage and legal. Yes, I know its possible to od on booze. But, do you realize how hard that is to do? Its not exactly easy."

And one more, your comment when I posted Singapore's drug penalty list, which included the death penalty for possession of a half-kilo of Mary Jane:

That looks rally harsh. It is harsh. But, it worked. I also understand that Singapore is not a good comparison to the United States. But, I still think it proves that a war on drugs would work, but you got to be willing to go to war.
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Just to keep it honest you also said:

"Just to make sure I am understanding this logic
1. Prescription drugs kill more people than illegal drugs do.
2. Prescription drugs that are opiates are the big winner are the most popular.
3. legalizing opium/heroin will have no affect, since people are already overdosing on prescription drugs.
4. Making it legal would actually decrease drug use and od rate. Because with all the people who prescription shop to get opiates, there would be no way they would immediately all jump at the now much easier to get legal drugs.
5. Making illegal drugs legal, and removing the hurdle to aquire them, will immediately lower the addiction rate! And, if they are cheaper than pharmaceuticals, people would start saving money and self medicating! Brilliant!

Now does that sum up the argument for why we should make smack, crack, coke and meth all over the counter use it all you want kind of warm and fuzzy legal?"

And you said:

"Interesting enough, I dont see the strategy in place to increase the means to acquire alcohol. Thats strange. Haven't we just proven that if you make it more readily available then the number of deaths and addiction will go down. God the CDC is dumb. Actually the more I read the CDC report, the more I wonder why you posted it. You realize you just made the argument why making hard core drugs, which in fact are still killing more people than alcohol poisoning, readily available will make it worse.

Alcohol is number five on the list. Unspecified is strange. But, so far, the argument I am seeing to make all drugs just legal is making my argument for me. Basically, your saying alcohol is number five on the list and its legal. So therefore, if we just legalize the drugs that are above it as recreational, it will make things better. Just think that through real slow like."

And you said:

"Trying, or ok we can say doing. Yes, I do. There is a reason no other nation has went full tilt boogey legalizing hard core drugs. Portugal is the closest. A nation of 10.6 million people. Its a dumb idea. For starters, I guess now we got to regulate all of it for quality. So, now the meth bathtub or shake n bake chemist has some competition. Now, he can put his cheaper product out their. Cuz I guarantee ya that red neck meth head will make a batch a lot cheaper than the gubbermint regulated stuff. So, lets be honest, we will never get away from drug enforcement side. Do you really want to legalize something that a person can overdose on, for recreational use? Yeah yeah I get the whole prescription drug thing, but that's prescription drugs. At least there is some regulation in it. So what now. Do you propose a heroin stamp? A monthly limit? Do you even comprehend the regulation you would have to have in place to "legalize" heroin, meth, and cocaine? You really think we should just legalize something, that you can readily overdose on, for recreational purpose? That's just bat shit dumb. I might be very libertarian in a lot of ways, but I don't want people driving drunk, and I do not want someone turning 21 and celebrating by overdosing on "heroin" since its the new rite of passage and legal. Yes, I know its possible to od on booze. But, do you realize how hard that is to do? Its not exactly easy."

And one more, your comment when I posted Singapore's drug penalty list, which included the death penalty for possession of a half-kilo of Mary Jane:

That looks rally harsh. It is harsh. But, it worked. I also understand that Singapore is not a good comparison to the United States. But, I still think it proves that a war on drugs would work, but you got to be willing to go to war.
Prescription drugs kill more people than illegal drugs do

This part of your statement is 1/2 accurate.

Prescription drugs do kill more people then Illegal drugs.

But many deaths occur when the people that died from the prescription drug are not the ones that the prescription was written. The drugs were stolen from the patient. Which makes them ILLEGAL drugs.

And the majority of those that have the drugs prescribed do not follow the dosage, (which makes thier use felony stupid)

and then you have those that ER or Doctor shop, which is illegal as well.

so a plurality if not a majority of prescription drug deaths are cases the drugs were obtained illegally

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I think we should legalize marijuana and industrial hemp, outlaw the promotion of drug use. Mandatory jail time for Hollywood producers and media moguls who demonstrate to adolescents that it's cool to do drugs.
Including alcohol....
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Including alcohol....
we cannot stop promoting the sell of alcohol.. Gubment will lose money


That is why tobacco has not been banned.
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Just to keep it honest you also said:

"Just to make sure I am understanding this logic
1. Prescription drugs kill more people than illegal drugs do.
2. Prescription drugs that are opiates are the big winner are the most popular.
3. legalizing opium/heroin will have no affect, since people are already overdosing on prescription drugs.
4. Making it legal would actually decrease drug use and od rate. Because with all the people who prescription shop to get opiates, there would be no way they would immediately all jump at the now much easier to get legal drugs.
5. Making illegal drugs legal, and removing the hurdle to aquire them, will immediately lower the addiction rate! And, if they are cheaper than pharmaceuticals, people would start saving money and self medicating! Brilliant!

Now does that sum up the argument for why we should make smack, crack, coke and meth all over the counter use it all you want kind of warm and fuzzy legal?"

And you said:

"Interesting enough, I dont see the strategy in place to increase the means to acquire alcohol. Thats strange. Haven't we just proven that if you make it more readily available then the number of deaths and addiction will go down. God the CDC is dumb. Actually the more I read the CDC report, the more I wonder why you posted it. You realize you just made the argument why making hard core drugs, which in fact are still killing more people than alcohol poisoning, readily available will make it worse.

Alcohol is number five on the list. Unspecified is strange. But, so far, the argument I am seeing to make all drugs just legal is making my argument for me. Basically, your saying alcohol is number five on the list and its legal. So therefore, if we just legalize the drugs that are above it as recreational, it will make things better. Just think that through real slow like."

And you said:

"Trying, or ok we can say doing. Yes, I do. There is a reason no other nation has went full tilt boogey legalizing hard core drugs. Portugal is the closest. A nation of 10.6 million people. Its a dumb idea. For starters, I guess now we got to regulate all of it for quality. So, now the meth bathtub or shake n bake chemist has some competition. Now, he can put his cheaper product out their. Cuz I guarantee ya that red neck meth head will make a batch a lot cheaper than the gubbermint regulated stuff. So, lets be honest, we will never get away from drug enforcement side. Do you really want to legalize something that a person can overdose on, for recreational use? Yeah yeah I get the whole prescription drug thing, but that's prescription drugs. At least there is some regulation in it. So what now. Do you propose a heroin stamp? A monthly limit? Do you even comprehend the regulation you would have to have in place to "legalize" heroin, meth, and cocaine? You really think we should just legalize something, that you can readily overdose on, for recreational purpose? That's just bat shit dumb. I might be very libertarian in a lot of ways, but I don't want people driving drunk, and I do not want someone turning 21 and celebrating by overdosing on "heroin" since its the new rite of passage and legal. Yes, I know its possible to od on booze. But, do you realize how hard that is to do? Its not exactly easy."

And one more, your comment when I posted Singapore's drug penalty list, which included the death penalty for possession of a half-kilo of Mary Jane:

That looks rally harsh. It is harsh. But, it worked. I also understand that Singapore is not a good comparison to the United States. But, I still think it proves that a war on drugs would work, but you got to be willing to go to war.
You got it. Other than the first part. Did you realize the sarcasm when I listed the numerical ordered items? Yes, Singapore absolutely did prove that you can win a drug war if your willing to go to war. Get mad about it. It is still the truth. My mistake was, I should have included the massive rehab program Singapore put in place to go with it. So you can spout off that I want Singapore laws for drugs in the US all you want. Like I have said before, on a forum like this that everyone can read, cherry picking becomes difficult. Good luck with it.
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You got it. Other than the first part. Did you realize the sarcasm when I listed the numerical ordered items? Yes, Singapore absolutely did prove that you can win a drug war if your willing to go to war. Get mad about it. It is still the truth. My mistake was, I should have included the massive rehab program Singapore put in place to go with it. So you can spout off that I want Singapore laws for drugs in the US all you want. Like I have said before, on a forum like this that everyone can read, cherry picking becomes difficult. Good luck with it.
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