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Old November 3rd, 2015, 12:28 PM   #21
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Not in my experience.
We all have different experiences. The Great Spirit willing I'll celebrate 30 years of continuous sobriety on the 17th of this month using the 12 steps and fellowship of AA.
I live in the city of St. Louis and there are literally hundreds of meetings here each month. If I go to one and do not like it I go to another.
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We all have different experiences. The Great Spirit willing I'll celebrate 30 years of continuous sobriety on the 17th of this month using the 12 steps and fellowship of AA.
I live in the city of St. Louis and there are literally hundreds of meetings here each month. If I go to one and do not like it I go to another.
Your experience is your experience.
I live in Minneapolis. There is a reason it's called the Minnesota model. This is the land of 10,000 treatment centers. I have found that I like NA better than AA. Also 4A, SOS, SNAP (not so huge on SNAP) and HR. AA people have a tendency to weird me out. Blah blah blah God.


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I live in Minneapolis. There is a reason it's called the Minnesota model. This is the land of 10,000 treatment centers. I have found that I like NA better than AA. Also 4A, SOS, SNAP (not so huge on SNAP) and HR. AA people have a tendency to weird me out. Blah blah blah God.


Good job on the 30.
Well, I got clean and sober in Memphis, Tn. and back then I probably went to as many NA meetings as I did AA. But when I moved to St. Louis I did not like the NA meetings I found here and felt the AA meetings gave me what I needed so I've gone to almost exclusively AA meetings for the past 25 years.
All the same 12 steps. Hell, I'm a big believer in doing what works best for each individual. Getting and living sober is all that counts.

Thank you, but don't jinx me, it's not quite the 17th on Nov. yet!!
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What does it matter WHY or HOW any individual became a drug addict???
Yes, it does matter. A person can become a drug addict due to various reasons. Most of the people start using drugs as a solution to treat their depression. Depression may be caused due to a variety of reasons like love failure, family problems, and failure. Some start using drugs because their parents used to. The use of drugs becomes a problem when he becomes totally addicted to it, and cannot survive without it. That condition certainly needs treatment. Most of the addiction recovery centeres often investigate the family background and the root cause of this addiction. Only then appropriate treatment can be provided. Treatments can be given only after studying how the person became an addict. Therefore, how or why a person became an addict is really an important question in his life.
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AA teaches that addiction is a "disease", which I find to be fundamentally untrue and unscientific. If I were Donald Trump rich, I would be like James Randi and offer a $1 million dollar prize to anyone who can scietifically show that addiction is a disease.

If addictions are diseases, for example, why do many members of rock (and country) bands have addiction issues? The members of Aerosmith for example have all checked in and out of alcohol/drug treatment, some more than once. Pretty long odds of this happening if it is a random disease. I saw a video of Tony Iommoni (sic?) a player in the band Black Sabbath, and he was talking about that the band basically broke apart because of cocaine use. Again, amazing odds that three or four band members could have this disease at the same time.

Some of addiction physicians even have the gall to call addiction genetic. Again, absolutely and completely no science to this whatsoever. When someone goes to treatment at intake, they always do a "family history" to see if there are any other addicted family members, then have an "a-ha" moment when there is an addictive relative. Well, guess what, everyone has a drunk or drug addict relative. Donald Trump's brother. Obama's father, Hillary Clinton's father was a drunk, Bill Clinton's half brother and step father, the Bush family is self explanatory. The Kennedy family is self explanatory, Reagan's father was an alcoholic. Jimmy Carter's younger brother Billy was a drunk, but neither were his devout parents. Nixon's parents were devout teetotalers butNixon had a history of getting wasted to relieve stress.

About 99 percent of the time or much greater, it is what is behind the urge to abuse alcohol or drugs. I went to treatment three times in the 1990's. I was smoking crack cocaineand could not get off of it. I really had a very strong urge to use the substance. I picked up the habit in Las Vegas, taking a guy home from work, he bought it, I decided to try it for kicks, and fell in love with it and wanted that feeling again, and again, and again and again.

I felt there was (and still do) something psychologically wrong with me, probably depression of my past and overall perspective of life, that I would choose to smoke crack all day and check out rather than live and try to strive. I hated not drinking alcohol and being told that I could never drink again because of this phantom "disease". I like bars, I like nightclubs, so nightlife, being on the town. I like drinking, still do. But these so called "treatment" joints were nothing but a 90 day AA meeting. I wanted psychological help, not "hitting my knees" and mumbling to a deity. And no, I am not praying to a door knob either.

Most people are addicted because of depression, bipolar issues, anxiety, a sense of boredom and disillusionment, some other kind of psychological or emotional issue. This is what needs to be addressed. Addiction is also a HABIT. People do not respect the power of habits. Human's are creatures of habit and we do the same thing week after week, day after day. I shower in the morning for example. I usually smoke a cigarette after a shower for some reason, even though I am a (really) light smoker usually. Once a week, I get drunk. As in drunk. I do not drink everyday because I do not want to be hungover for my job, and hangovers suck. Some people can drink alcohol all day, everyday. That to me is so dangerous, smoking crack cannot be worse than the abuse and corrosion of booze.

The man who founded AA was a man named Bill Wilson. Not to go in about Mr. Wilson in depth, but after he stopped the boozing, he wasn't really sober or his personality changed that much. He was a serial adulterer, to the point of being an embarrassment to the general office, and was addicted to cigarettes and strong coffee. He also did LSD experiments willingly several times in the 1950's for a cure for alcoholism....maybe the old boy thought that tripping balls somehow rids one of the disease somehow.

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