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Old October 23rd, 2017, 10:33 AM   #21
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There are many myths and lies around marijuana, mostly created by those making a profit on the phony "war on drugs".

The myths about pot affecting your driving like alcohol does are still strong in some people's heads.

In reality though....

A study by the American Journal of Public Health published on Thursday (June 20th, 2017) looked at motor vehicle fatalities and found no significant increase in Colorado and Washington State, where recreational marijuana use is legal, compared with eight states where it is not legal that have similar populations, vehicle ownership, and traffic laws. Alabama, Kentucky and Texas were among the states in the comparison group.

Our study focused on deaths and actually found what we expected going into this," Jason Adedoyte, lead author of the study said in a telephone interview. Adedoyte is a trauma surgeon at Dell Seton Medical Center at the University of Texas at Austin. "Back in 2012 some argued that people would ride around in their cars crash and die. Our study proved that isn't true," he said.

The American Journal of Public Health examined data from 2009 to 2015 taken from the U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System.

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Old October 23rd, 2017, 10:49 AM   #22
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Just to add to the debate here. I wonder, on your daily commute to and from work, how many of those cars around you had people feeling NO PAIN, because they're on an opiate of some sort ?? Legally or illegally ?? How many wake up, drink their coffee, have their breakfast and pop a pill ?? How many take more during the day ??

Opiates kill more people that all other drugs combined yet I have never heard of someone being charged with DUI for being high on pills ??
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I agree with marijuana decriminalization, and one of the reasons is because that's the only way its drug cocktail can be studied and examined for both benefits and harms. For decades, it's been a backnforth between the prohibitionists and the pot worshippers..who grab at every story, rumor or inner desire to portray their drug of choice as the magic elixer of life!

We've had anecdotal evidence for years that moderate potheads could function and navigate everyday life, but anyone who was honest also recognized that heavy using potheads were stupid, giddy and careless. And now we know why:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...eep-and-dreams

In brief, it seems your everyday, idiot stoner smokes enough marijuana that it diminishes REM sleep or dream states during sleeping. These are very important for normal healthy mental function, since scientists have learned that dreams allow us to run through events of the day safely, during a time when the brain systems producing stress hormones are shut down for the night. So, if the drug is cutting or reducing REM stages during sleep, it's having the same effect as those who make chronic use of barbituate sleeping pills.

Where to go from there is another matter! Certainly there are worse drugs out there...the worst being sold with a prescription...like opiates! As we've learned with Trump's latest embarrassment of having a drug czar forced to withdraw because he was helping a drug company push to eliminate restrictions on doctors prescribing these drugs for patients. All drugs should be legal, under strict controls, and neither manufacturers nor the politicians they buy, should be allowed to run the kind of system we have today, which makes some drugs arbitrarily criminalized/while others with important monied interests behind them, are distributed like candy in collapsing economic zones like West Virginia, Florida and Texas.
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Give an average person six beers and another four hits, and you tell me who you'd rather have driving.

That's experience talking, btw.

Alcohol makes people stupid, and do stupid things. Our culture owes many of its worst characteristics to alcohol consumption.
Problem is that is usually a combination of both.
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Just to add to the debate here. I wonder, on your daily commute to and from work, how many of those cars around you had people feeling NO PAIN, because they're on an opiate of some sort ?? Legally or illegally ?? How many wake up, drink their coffee, have their breakfast and pop a pill ?? How many take more during the day ??

Opiates kill more people that all other drugs combined yet I have never heard of someone being charged with DUI for being high on pills ??
I agree, but Opiate DUIs get written everyday.

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Tiger Woods was arrested on a charge of driving under the influence early Monday near his home in Jupiter, Florida, according to an online Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office report.

In a statement released Monday night, Woods said alcohol was not a factor in his arrest, which he said stemmed from an "unexpected reaction" to prescription medication.
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Problem is that is usually a combination of both.
Not in my experience.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 12:56 PM   #27
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I agree, but Opiate DUIs get written everyday.

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One case where the driver was caught sleeping in his car on a road. And he was basically incoherent when awakened.

And even there he was initially charged with being drunk.

That is a an anecdote. Do you have any stats?
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