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Old October 28th, 2017, 07:37 PM   #1
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There was no wave of compassion when addicts were hooked on crack

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/th...ooked-on-crack

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Old October 28th, 2017, 10:03 PM   #2
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Crack is not physically addictive. People do not overdose as easily from crack. The crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s is much the same as meth is today.

The opioid problem is much different. One. The drs. Amd big pharma have created a great number of these addicts. On their own they are much easier to OD on by add in the synthetics that much of it is being cut w/ people are dying over it all of the time.

It is still being brought in by the CIA and being run by the same gangs, causing the same violence that the cocaine and crack were. I don't understand why this meme about the racist crack wars vs the sympathetic opium epidemic is being pushed. We as a society have come leaps and bounds on the drug wars since then. In the 80s and 90s you could go to prison for a few hundred grams of weed now it is legal in some states.
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Old October 28th, 2017, 10:14 PM   #3
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Crack is not physically addictive. People do not overdose as easily from crack. The crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s is much the same as meth is today.

The opioid problem is much different. One. The drs. Amd big pharma have created a great number of these addicts. On their own they are much easier to OD on by add in the synthetics that much of it is being cut w/ people are dying over it all of the time.

It is still being brought in by the CIA and being run by the same gangs, causing the same violence that the cocaine and crack were. I don't understand why this meme about the racist crack wars vs the sympathetic opium epidemic is being pushed. We as a society have come leaps and bounds on the drug wars since then. In the 80s and 90s you could go to prison for a few hundred grams of weed now it is legal in some states.
It's no coincidence.

The heroin epidemic wasn't even considered to be an epidemic until it reached White communities.

Baltimore has had a heroin epidemic for years and nobody cared. Just lock everybody up and use aggressive police tactics. Now that it's effecting White communities, it's a "social problem" and "these people need help."
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It's no coincidence.

The heroin epidemic wasn't even considered to be an epidemic until it reached White communities.

Baltimore has had a heroin epidemic for years and nobody cared. Just lock everybody up and use aggressive police tactics. Now that it's effecting White communities, it's a "social problem" and "these people need help."
This is true about the "white communities" but you also have to loom deeper than that. I work w/ addicts and in the past worked w/ not only addicts but the homeless (those two go hand in hand more often than not)

The drs. Were handing out opiates like candy for about a decade. Then the pill mills were pushing them out onto the streets thru weak scripts. Then the state cracked down on the mills and tightened up the prescriptions issued and filled leaving thousands of addicts that they created w/o a supply. Oxy is like 10X the cost of dope on the street so many of these addicts who couldnt/wouldn't kick turned to dope. The dope supply is increasingly more tainted leaving piles of bodies in its wake.

So yeah, i do agree w/ your observation but there is more to it than that. We have a whole slue of Addicts who did not get there through recreational use and why it is being viewed in a much different light.
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Crack is not physically addictive. People do not overdose as easily from crack. The crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s is much the same as meth is today.

The opioid problem is much different. One. The drs. Amd big pharma have created a great number of these addicts. On their own they are much easier to OD on by add in the synthetics that much of it is being cut w/ people are dying over it all of the time.

It is still being brought in by the CIA and being run by the same gangs, causing the same violence that the cocaine and crack were. I don't understand why this meme about the racist crack wars vs the sympathetic opium epidemic is being pushed. We as a society have come leaps and bounds on the drug wars since then. In the 80s and 90s you could go to prison for a few hundred grams of weed now it is legal in some states.
What on earth would give you the idea that crack is not physically addictive???
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So here we are.

CONGRESS passes a bill making it almost impossible for the DEA to track, much less shut down possible illegal distribution of opiate pills.

The President nominates one of the bills key sponsors to be his new drug czar !! Nomination later rescinded due to this fact.

Then congress turns around and sets up programs for MEDICINE BASED TREATMENT for opioid abuse !! Similar to Methadone for heroine addicts. It doesn't cure the addiction, they remain fully and well addicted. It just allows them to avoid the withdrawal symptoms. In other words LONG TERM treatment. People could be on the "treatments" for years, decades even.

So big pharma floods our streets with millions of mostly illegal pills. Then congress prohibits the DEA from punishing those same companies. Then congress sets up programs where those some big pharma companies can now sell the "remedy" to the very people they got addicted in the first place.
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Crack is not physically addictive. People do not overdose as easily from crack. The crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s is much the same as meth is today.
Crack not additive ?? Since when ?? From everything I've read over the years it IS one of THE most addictive substances ever created. Supposedly ONE USE, and the average person is instantly addicted. It's one of the reasons the penalties for selling crack were so much worse then those for selling coke or even heroine.

Of course anyone with eyes and a brain can see that crack was largely a "black" drug while coke was predominately a white one.

There is and always has been an imbalance in the system.
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Who gives a rip it is not a black, white issue, and it is a national epidemic, many addicts started on addictive pain killers, pushed by big pharmaceutical companies. Mike Dewine is suing Dr.'s in Ohio for receiving payments to push the pain killers.
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Who gives a rip it is not a black, white issue, and it is a national epidemic, many addicts started on addictive pain killers, pushed by big pharmaceutical companies. Mike Dewine is suing Dr.'s in Ohio for receiving payments to push the pain killers.
Well it IS an epidemic. It HAS BEEN an epidemic for years now. Addiction itself is not a black or white issue, but how society and the government chose to deal with it certainly is !!!!!.

Here's the difference. If you are poor, and especially if you are a minority, YOU GO TO JAIL. You spend the rest of life, no matter hard you work with that "felony conviction" hanging over your head.

If you are white and even lower middle income, you go to REHAB !!! You get diversion on the charges, and if you keep your nose clean for how ever many years the judge decrees, you can even have your record expunged so the whole thing just never happened !! You go on to college, and to get decent jobs and live your life unhindered by a criminal record.

Rush Limbaugh is a prefect example. The man went on national radio and ADMITTED he had a drug problem. How many charges were ever filed in his case ?? He goes to rehab, then uses his enormous wealth to hire top shelf lawyers to keep the state from investigating exactly HOW he got all those drugs.

(Not to mention one of THE most ironic bit of irony ever to take place. He blasted the Florida Supreme court during the 2000 election as one of THE WORSE BASTIONS OF LIBERAL ACTIVIST JUDGES IN THE COUNTRY, then a couple years later appeared before THAT VERY COURT to ask them to keep his records sealed and away from the prying eyes of the Florida prosecutors. Which they DID !! Damned activist bastards, how dare they uphold the fucking 4th amendment !!!)

Gordy is not entirely wrong. Now that WHITE people are dying in droves, suddenly everyone says they care. Saw a story in the news yesterday about how two childhood friends, who live only a mile apart, who went to school and played sports together, and who DIED ON THE SAME DAY from overdoses of Fentanyl. Oh SOOOO VERY FUCKING SAD !!!! I wonder how many black kids died that same day ??

And sadly, the truth is, the president's pronouncement the other day is little more than the start of a Nancy Reaganesque "Just Say No" campaign. The president stopped short of declaring a national emergency and opening up FEMA funds and other resources that could be brought to work on the problem.
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Well it IS an epidemic. It HAS BEEN an epidemic for years now. Addiction itself is not a black or white issue, but how society and the government chose to deal with it certainly is !!!!!.

Here's the difference. If you are poor, and especially if you are a minority, YOU GO TO JAIL. You spend the rest of life, no matter hard you work with that "felony conviction" hanging over your head.

If you are white and even lower middle income, you go to REHAB !!! You get diversion on the charges, and if you keep your nose clean for how ever many years the judge decrees, you can even have your record expunged so the whole thing just never happened !! You go on to college, and to get decent jobs and live your life unhindered by a criminal record.

Rush Limbaugh is a prefect example. The man went on national radio and ADMITTED he had a drug problem. How many charges were ever filed in his case ?? He goes to rehab, then uses his enormous wealth to hire top shelf lawyers to keep the state from investigating exactly HOW he got all those drugs.

(Not to mention one of THE most ironic bit of irony ever to take place. He blasted the Florida Supreme court during the 2000 election as one of THE WORSE BASTIONS OF LIBERAL ACTIVIST JUDGES IN THE COUNTRY, then a couple years later appeared before THAT VERY COURT to ask them to keep his records sealed and away from the prying eyes of the Florida prosecutors. Which they DID !! Damned activist bastards, how dare they uphold the fucking 4th amendment !!!)

Gordy is not entirely wrong. Now that WHITE people are dying in droves, suddenly everyone says they care. Saw a story in the news yesterday about how two childhood friends, who live only a mile apart, who went to school and played sports together, and who DIED ON THE SAME DAY from overdoses of Fentanyl. Oh SOOOO VERY FUCKING SAD !!!! I wonder how many black kids died that same day ??

And sadly, the truth is, the president's pronouncement the other day is little more than the start of a Nancy Reaganesque "Just Say No" campaign. The president stopped short of declaring a national emergency and opening up FEMA funds and other resources that could be brought to work on the problem.

You people will be the ruination of this great country, everything is about the poor victim black people, race this, race that. Do me a favor dig yourselves out of the gutter, stand up, and better your communities.
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