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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:57 AM   #1
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The Gender Wage Gap Lie

Differences exist, but not for the commonly quoted reasons, as this anything-but right-wing source explains.

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The Gender Wage Gap Lie
You know that “women make 77 cents to every man’s dollar” line you’ve heard a hundred times? It’s not true
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How many times have you heard that “women are paid 77 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men”? Barack Obama said it during his last campaign. Women’s groups say it every April 9, which is Equal Pay Day. In preparation for Labor Day, a group protesting outside Macy’s this week repeated it, too, holding up signs and sending out press releases saying “women make $.77 to every dollar men make on the job.” I’ve heard the line enough times that I feel the need to set the record straight: It’s not true.

The official Bureau of Labor Department statistics show that the median earnings of full-time female workers is 77 percent of the median earnings of full-time male workers. But that is very different than “77 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men.” The latter gives the impression that a man and a woman standing next to each other doing the same job for the same number of hours get paid different salaries. That’s not at all the case. “Full time” officially means 35 hours, but men work more hours than women. That’s the first problem: We could be comparing men working 40 hours to women working 35.

How to get a more accurate measure? First, instead of comparing annual wages, start by comparing average weekly wages. This is considered a slightly more accurate measure because it eliminates variables like time off during the year or annual bonuses (and yes, men get higher bonuses, but let’s shelve that for a moment in our quest for a pure wage gap number). By this measure, women earn 81 percent of what men earn, although it varies widely by race. African-American women, for example, earn 94 percent of what African-American men earn in a typical week. Then, when you restrict the comparison to men and women working 40 hours a week, the gap narrows to 87 percent.

But we’re still not close to measuring women “doing the same work as men.” For that, we’d have to adjust for many other factors that go into determining salary. Economists Francine Blau and Lawrence Kahn did that in a recent paper, “The Gender Pay Gap.”.”They first accounted for education and experience. That didn’t shift the gap very much, because women generally have at least as much and usually more education than men, and since the 1980s they have been gaining the experience. The fact that men are more likely to be in unions and have their salaries protected accounts for about 4 percent of the gap. The big differences are in occupation and industry. Women congregate in different professions than men do, and the largely male professions tend to be higher-paying. If you account for those differences, and then compare a woman and a man doing the same job, the pay gap narrows to 91 percent. So, you could accurately say in that Obama ad that, “women get paid 91 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men.”

The point here is not that there is no wage inequality. But by focusing our outrage into a tidy, misleading statistic we’ve missed the actual challenges. It would in fact be much simpler if the problem were rank sexism and all you had to do was enlighten the nation’s bosses or throw the Equal Pay Act at them. But the 91 percent statistic suggests a much more complicated set of problems. Is it that women are choosing lower-paying professions or that our country values women’s professions less? And why do women work fewer hours? Is this all discrimination or, as economist Claudia Goldin likes to say, also a result of “rational choices” women make about how they want to conduct their lives.

Goldin and Lawrence Katz have done about as close to an apples-to-apples comparison of men’s and women’s wages as exists. (They talk about it here in a Freakonomics discussion.) They tracked male and female MBAs graduating from the University of Chicago from 1990 to 2006. First they controlled for previous job experience, GPA, chosen profession, business-school course and job title. Right out of school, they found only a tiny differential in salary between men and women, which might be because of a little bit of lingering discrimination or because women are worse at negotiating starting salaries. But 10 to 15 years later, the gap widens to 40 percent, almost all of which is due to career interruptions and fewer hours. The gap is even wider for women business school graduates who marry very high earners. (Note: Never marry a rich man).

If this midcareer gap is due to discrimination, it’s much deeper than “male boss looks at female hire and decides she is worth less, and then pats her male colleague on the back and slips him a bonus.” It’s the deeper, more systemic discrimination of inadequate family-leave policies and childcare options, of women defaulting to being the caretakers. Or of women deciding that are suited to be nurses and teachers but not doctors. And in that more complicated discussion, you have to leave room at least for the option of choice—that women just don’t want to work the same way men do.
Gender pay gap: The familiar line that ?women make 77 cents to every man?s dollar? simply isn?t accurate. - Slate Magazine
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actually it is accurate. It is the case in the Obama White House staff salaries, and the Clinton White House staff salaries.
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I get paid 7.25
My friend (who's a girl) get's 7.25

Seriously? No company could get away with that without being sued to death.
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actually it is accurate. It is the case in the Obama White House staff salaries, and the Clinton White House staff salaries.
You know TN, your putting an Obama spin on everything is just as old as someone else we know putting a racism spin on everything.
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You know TN, your putting an Obama spin on everything is just as old as someone else we know putting a racism spin on everything.
Not even close. How many threads has this "someone else" started, all of them about race.

A completely unfair comp.
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You know TN, your putting an Obama spin on everything is just as old as someone else we know putting a racism spin on everything.
No, Obama and Clinton paid their Female Staff 20-30% less than their male staffers it is a fact, I have posted and sourced it in previous threads.


I just want to point out those that scream about the gender gap are/were the worst offenders in creating said gap in their own staff.

If Obama and Clinton had not run on the "Equal pay" platform I wouldn't have said a word.
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No, Obama and Clinton paid their Female Staff 20-30% less than their male staffers it is a fact, I have posted and sourced it in previous threads.


I just want to point out those that scream about the gender gap are/were the worst offenders in creating said gap in their own staff.

If Obama and Clinton had not run on the "Equal pay" platform I wouldn't have said a word.
You provided no data to show the pay differential between women and men doing the same job. You are relying on "mean" or "average" pay rates. But as the article pointed out, that's in part because women are employed in lower paying jobs.

Amazingly enough, the article I quoted below makes the same error. But then again, it's the Daily Mail....

As long as you're politicizing an economic issue that reaches far beyond government employees:

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Of the administration's 20 top earners, who each took home a tidy $172,200 for their work in 2011, only six of those were women.
Six out of 20 is 30 percent.

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The current administration's gender differential is certainly not the first, as former President Bill Clinton only had four women among his 17 top paid employees.
23.5 percent.

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The downward trend continued with President George W. Bush, who only had 35 women among his top 122 workers.
28.7 percent.

Women paid significantly less in Obama White House than their male counterparts | Mail Online
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Women paid significantly less in Obama White House than their male counterparts | Mail Online


also according to your source, Bush had fewer women staff (first woman Sec. of State)

but he paid the equal salary of the male staff in the same position.


This is about equal pay, not about the number of staff..

but but but Bush dogging ain't gonna hunt..

Could bush have hired more women I guess so.. but the women he did hire, earned equal pay..
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Women paid significantly less in Obama White House than their male counterparts | Mail Online


also according to your source, Bush had fewer women staff (first woman Sec. of State)

but he paid the equal salary of the male staff in the same position.


This is about equal pay, not about the number of staff..

but but but Bush dogging ain't gonna hunt..

Could bush have hired more women I guess so.. but the women he did hire, earned equal pay..
Prove it.
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Dziadosz, Anna K $45,000 Deputy Associate Director
Levine, Steven M $45,000 Associate Director
Smith, Barbara A $45,000 Deputy Associate Director
Warren, Niklas S $45,000 Associate Director
Keep, Katherine E $44,900 Deputy Director of Proclamations
Baskerville Jr, Chester A $44,500 Assistant Shift Leader
Vandall, Tobias A $44,500 Assistant Shift Leader
Scott, Robbie J $44,000 Associate Director of Scheduling
Doty, Joan R $43,900 Senior Writer
Frick, Jean C $43,900 Deputy Associate Director
Hickey, Ashley E $43,900 Special Projects Coordinator
Mackintosh, Andrew y $43,900 Assistant Staff Secretary
Dries, Brittany Anne $43,000 Associate Director
lrons, Allison Kate $43,000 Deputy Associate Director
Miller, Kasdin E $43,000 Assistant Press Secretary to the First Lady
Crocker, Erica A $42,900 Director of Legislative Correspondence
Boyer, Bradley J $42,700 Travel Manager
Hildebrand, Katherine S $42,700 Travel Manager
Morgan, Margaret Taylor $42,000 Deputy Associate Director
Sendek, Sara E $42,000 Associate Director
Whyte II, Roger J $42,000 Travel Manager
Wilkins, Andrew W $42,000 Deputy Director of Presidential Support
Wilsbach, Cynthia C $42,000 Special Assistant to the Director
Anfuso, Katelyn G $41,800 Executive Assistant to the Deputy Counsel to the President
Brady, Ryan D $41,800 Deputy Associate Director
Coghlan, John V $41,800 Staff Assistant
Flanagan, Molly E $41,800 Associate Director
Merrill, Jessica O $41,800 Staff Assistant
O'Connor, Erin M $41,800 Executive Assistant to the Chief of Staff to the First Lady
Ray, Whitney D $41,800 Travel Manager
Wallingford, Crystal Diane $41,800 Executive Assistant
Warwood, Jordan L $41,800 Executive Assistant
Bryant, Mary Jessica $41,000 Senior Trip Coordinator
Hanson, Kerissa R $41,000 Deputy Director of Presidential Messages
Ahrens, Rebecca A $40,800 Operator
Siciliano, Stuart W $40,800 Deputy Assistant Press Secretary
Cameron, Benjamin L $40,000 Staff Assistant
Deguzman, Brian K $40,000 Operator
Johannes, Marissa C $40,000 Paralegal
Katz, Gena H $40,000 Research Assistant and Junior Speechwriter
Milburn, Buckley D $40,000 Deputy Associate Director
Pate, Brian E $40,000 Executive Assistant
Sciarrino, Joseph G $40,000 Deputy Associate Director
Skinner, Kathleen B $40,000 Policy and Special Projects Coordinator
Aulds, Amanda B $39,700 Writer
Harmon, Melanie A $39,700 Senior Writer
Edmonds, Anita J $39,330 Records Management Analyst
Hewell lV, Todd S $39,000 Deputy Associate Director
Perkins, Paul R $38,900 Paralegal
Carroll, Jamie E $38,700 Deputy Associate Director for Invitations and Correspondence
Drummond, Matthew A $38,700 Press Assistant
Henderson, Kristin E $38,700 Deputy Associate Director
Lim, Richard M $38,700 Deputy Associate Director
Maxwell, Kyle D $38,700 Senior Scheduler
Nieto, Jeannette M $38,700 Executive Assistant
Rodgers Jr, James P $38,700 Deputy Associate Director
Seat, Peter A $38,700 Press Assistant
Warren, Anthony E $38,700 Press Assistant
Hunt, Justin T $38,500 Deputy Associate Director
Consolvo, Brandon S $38,000 Staff Assistant
Joo, Mee Y $38,000 Special Projects Coordinator
Andrasek, Jaclyn E $37,600 Deputy Director of Agency Liaison
Luck, Deatrice N $37,600 Operator
Neely, Natasha B $37,600 Deputy Director of the Gift Office
Watson, Takesha R $37,600 Operator
Moore, April K $37,500 Scheduler
Boroski, Ashley L $37,000 Staff Assistant
Bray, Chara R $37,000 Deputy Associate Director
Conway, Kathleen A $36,600 Staff Assistant
Davis, Diane D $36,600 Executive Assistant
Diaz, lvette A $36,600 Staff Assistant
Huskey, Marcus A $36,600 Staff Assistant
Hyatt, Loren A $36,600 Executive Assistant
Nichols, Whitney M $36,600 Deputy Associate Director for Press Advance
Plaisted, Margeaux D $36,600 Staff Assistant
Traner, Jennifer L $36,600 Trip Coordinator
Wagner, Sarah J $36,600 Executive Assistant
Williams, Lauren E $36,600 Executive Assistant
Dowling, Valerie L $36,000 Staff Assistant
Adams Jr, Boyce E $35,500 Staff Assistant
Arogeti, Scott R $35,500 Staff Assistant
Askin, Jennifer L $35,500 Writer
Atwater, Ashley P $35,500 Staff Assistant
Budds, Sarah A $35,500 Staff Assistant
Cotner, Kyle L $35,500 Staff Assistant
Cradic lll, Harold E $35,500 Agency Coordinator
Crowell lll, Jerry T $35,500 Staff Assistant
Downer, Amber J $35,500 Staff Assistant
Haggard, Matthew J $35,500 Staff Assistant
Hart, Paul A $35,500 Research Assistant
Hasson, Michael p $35,500 Staff Assistant
Hawkins, Jacqueline I $35,500 Staff Assistant
Headley, Jessica D $35,500 Executive Assistant
Heilig, Rebecca B R $35,500 Staff Assistant
Hensley, Jarrad C $35,500 Editor
Juden, Courtney P $35,500 Staff Assistant
Kielty, Meghan K $35,500 Staff Assistant
Lane, Holly E $35,500 Gift Analyst
Lara, Shaun M $35,500 Writer
Mountain, Andrew L $35,500 Staff Assistant
Moutoussis, Mary A $35,500 Staff Assistant
O'Neill, Emily R $35,500 Staff Assistant
Pascale, Jill U $35,500 Correspondence Analyst
Pruski, Molly E $35,500 Writer
Reaney-Tomaselli, Ashley C $35,500 Writer
Rhee, Christine Y $35,500 Staff Assistant
Rodenback, Joseph D $35,500 Staff Assistant
Seifullah, Tariq R $35,500 Correspondence Analyst
Shaffner, Bethany A $35,500 Confidential Assistant
Smith, Steven P $35,500 Scheduler
Smith, Trevor H $35,500 Writer
Stanek, Daena M L $35,500 Writer
Sterling, Justine M $35,500 Staff Assistant
Voorman, David A $35,400 Records Management Analyst
Blount, Patricia H $35,392 Records Analyst
Hoang, Vy T $35,392 Records Management Analyst
Wade, Frances J $35,392 Records Management Analyst
Hawkins, Elizabeth J $35,000 Trip Coordinator
Weber, Nathaniel J $35,000 Writer
Knouse, Whitney A $34,500 Staff Assistant
Lehotsky, Kaylan J $34,300 Website Assistant
Asbenson, Kendell S $34,000 Staff Assistant
Ballard, Matthew J $34,000 Staff Assistant
Bamett, Susan J $34,000 Volunteer Coordinator
Barzee, Alysia C $34,000 Trip Coordinator
Blackburn, Merideth L $34,000 Correspondence Analyst
Clayton, Heath H $34,000 Correspondence Analyst
Doescher, Timothy D $34,000 Editor
Eichelberger III, John H $34,000 Staff Assistant
Garofano, Steven R $34,000 Correspondence Analyst
Hawkins, Philip A $34,000 Correspondence Analyst
Hodges, Matthew P $34,000 Research Assistant
Howard, Benjamin R $34,000 Staff Assistant
Jackson, Sally W $34,000 Assistant for Arrangements
Johnson, Whitney S $34,000 Staff Assistant
Karriker, Erin J $34,000 Staff Assistant
Laforge, Clayton D $34,000 Staff Assistant
McManus, John S $34,000 Staff Assistant
Moore, Kelcey A $34,000 Research Assistant
Shaath, Zaina A $34,000 Gift Analyst
Swider, Joel D $34,000 Agency Coordinator
Tomchik, Benjamin Peter $34,000 Correspondence Analyst
Warren, Kathryn V $34,000 Correspondence Analyst
Wenzel, Daniel A $34,000 Staff Assistant
Palagonia, Pamela L $33,400 Executive Assistant
Piatek, Nicholas J $33,400 Staff Assistant

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