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Old October 1st, 2016, 05:44 PM   #81
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Not true. I owned a small business and I paid most my employees (12) over $15/hour and that was ten years ago. The key is that I DIDN'T get rich. I shared profits with my employees. It can be done.
It should be done.
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It should be done.
it is not uncommon. the issue is when the state comes in and demands it before the person learns the trade or demonstrates any loyalty.
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it is not uncommon. the issue is when the state comes in and demands it before the person learns the trade or demonstrates any loyalty.
Note that Clara said she paid, not was forced to pay by a pack of pols across the country. That is the difference in living a free country, which is pretty much gone and most do not know the concept, and a statist country. Putin would approve.
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Note that Clara said she paid, not was forced to pay by a pack of pols across the country. That is the difference in living a free country, which is pretty much gone and most do not know the concept, and a statist country. Putin would approve.
The only part I got was that she owned, not owns. What happened I wonder? Either the business closed down, no more employees. Or, Clara sold the business for an obscene profit, throwing her employees to the cold with a new employer.
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The only part I got was that she owned, not owns. What happened I wonder? Either the business closed down, no more employees. Or, Clara sold the business for an obscene profit, throwing her employees to the cold with a new employer.
She should not have been allowed to own it. The state should have owned it according to her ideology.
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Note that Clara said she paid, not was forced to pay by a pack of pols across the country. That is the difference in living a free country, which is pretty much gone and most do not know the concept, and a statist country. Putin would approve.
Clara did not say what her business was but if you want to attract talent you have to pay a living wage or naturally high skilled people will work for someone else. Flipping burgers is not high skilled work and I only go to McDonalds on a very rare occasion to buy one Big Mac when I get a Mac Attack.
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Old October 2nd, 2016, 02:10 AM   #87
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The first paragraph is not a grant of power. The enumerated powers follow the first paragraph. The neccessary and proper clause limited all powers of congress to only the power to carry out the enumerated powers. There is no historical record that supports your position and all the historical records support my position.
This treadís post of 2:52 PM, October 1, 2016 provides the pertinent portions of the U.S. Constitutionís text that enable the U.S. federal minimum wage rate to legally exist.

In response to your referring to the first paragraph, I later quoted the U.S. constitutionís entire section 1 of article 1.

Now you respond by stating your post was in error; you now state ďThe first paragraph is not a grant of power. The enumerated powers follow the first paragraphĒ.

I refer you back to the 2:52, 1Oct2016 postís pertinent portions of the U.S. Constitutionís text that enable the U.S. federal minimum wage rate to legally exist. I particularly cite the last sentence

The last sentence of the constitutionís section 8 within article 1, ďTo make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereofĒ further supports all of the previous citings within the constitutionís preamble and that section 8.

All of the other quotes from the U.S. Constitutionís preamble and that section 8 which enable the U.S. federal minimum wage rate to legally exist appear in the constitutionís text before that last sentence. That last sentence only further supports those previously quoted words.

You have not cited and quoted anything within the constitution thatís contrary to the U.S. federal minimum wage rateís legal existence.

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Incorrect. The US is currently importing about 1/3 of its needs. I'm not sure what price for ore would be necessary for other deposits to become economic.
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This treadís post of 2:52 PM, October 1, 2016 provides the pertinent portions of the U.S. Constitutionís text that enable the U.S. federal minimum wage rate to legally exist.

In response to your referring to the first paragraph, I later quoted the U.S. constitutionís entire section 1 of article 1.

Now you respond by stating your post was in error; you now state ďThe first paragraph is not a grant of power. The enumerated powers follow the first paragraphĒ.

I refer you back to the 2:52, 1Oct2016 postís pertinent portions of the U.S. Constitutionís text that enable the U.S. federal minimum wage rate to legally exist. I particularly cite the last sentence

The last sentence of the constitutionís section 8 within article 1, ďTo make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereofĒ further supports all of the previous citings within the constitutionís preamble and that section 8.

All of the other quotes from the U.S. Constitutionís preamble and that section 8 which enable the U.S. federal minimum wage rate to legally exist appear in the constitutionís text before that last sentence. That last sentence only further supports those previously quoted words.

You have not cited and quoted anything within the constitution thatís contrary to the U.S. federal minimum wage rateís legal existence.

Respectfully, Supposn
I did not make an error.

I have provided two simple pieces of evidence: the origination of the welfare clause and the purpose of the neccessary and proper clause. Neither have been addresssed. The welfare clause came from two places and was inserted into the Constitution maintaining the orginal meaning, and the author of the neccessary and proper clause explained the purpose and intent of the clause. These are two very simple obstacles that need to be specifically addressed before advancing to the grammar of the first paragraph and the stated limitations of the welfare clause.
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Old October 2nd, 2016, 06:16 AM   #90
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To stay on subject, tell us about the orgination of the general welfare clause and how that relates to the Philidelphia convention regarding its meaning and intent.

Cue goober's diverting and running in....
The Supreme Court found (9-0) that the power to regulate interstate commerce covered minimum wage law.

Of course, they don't have Jimmy Boy's deep understanding of the TRUE meaning of the constitution, maybe he should lend them his secret decoder ring...or maybe it's time for an amendment, making Internet Crazies the final arbiter of what the constitution means...
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