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Old January 13th, 2017, 11:28 AM   #21
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By in large true, which is why we need to remove corporate money out of politics.
That would be a good starting point!
With all the crap stirred up (dangerous crap) that the Russians and Putin fixed the election for Trump, it hasn't been mentioned in weeks that Donald Trump got milliions in free media air time from the networks and news channels. Recall Les Moonves backroom comment in a live mike that 'maybe Donald Trump is bad for America, but he sure is good for CBS' to laughter and applause from the assholes gathered to hear him speak!

The point has been made by Ralph Nader (yes, he's still alive and fighting) the airwaves "belong to the public". And the laws governing cable and online information should have been written along the principles that were intended governing broadcast media: the corporations who buy broadcasting licenses have greater obligations than maximizing profits. They have a duty to inform the public and provide news and information that's unbiased and allows as many voices as possible.

How about if all political campaign advertising was banned outright, and replaced with debates and open discussions of candidates and issues?
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That would be a good starting point!
With all the crap stirred up (dangerous crap) that the Russians and Putin fixed the election for Trump, it hasn't been mentioned in weeks that Donald Trump got milliions in free media air time from the networks and news channels. Recall Les Moonves backroom comment in a live mike that 'maybe Donald Trump is bad for America, but he sure is good for CBS' to laughter and applause from the assholes gathered to hear him speak!

The point has been made by Ralph Nader (yes, he's still alive and fighting) the airwaves "belong to the public". And the laws governing cable and online information should have been written along the principles that were intended governing broadcast media: the corporations who buy broadcasting licenses have greater obligations than maximizing profits. They have a duty to inform the public and provide news and information that's unbiased and allows as many voices as possible.

How about if all political campaign advertising was banned outright, and replaced with debates and open discussions of candidates and issues?
Agreed. Now go run for president.
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Old January 13th, 2017, 01:29 PM   #23
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No, current spending doesn't decrease when you invest over $800 billion dollars into the economy. The stimulus increases it. You don't count the current spending when using economic terms, "priming the pump". It's an investment.

And to just point out. Almost $300 dollars of that stimulus was tax cuts. Tax cuts do a terrible job at stimulating the economy. My point is that we needed well over $2 trillion dollars. Not $800 billion. The ARRA did stop the recession from getting worse.
The recession ended on its on in June of 2009, before most of the stimulus spending took place.
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Old January 13th, 2017, 01:52 PM   #24
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The recession ended on its on in June of 2009, before most of the stimulus spending took place.
Putting the stimulus in place stimulated the economy, just putting a program in place to buy clunkers, meant auto makers hiring and ramping up production, before the program bought it's first clunker.
Funding programs causes hiring, the money gets spent later, but the effect is almost immediate.
And the economy was deep in the hole in 2009, it had shrunk quite a bit from the crash, and it wasn't a typical recession, caused by high inventories, where the economy shrinks a bit until inventories fall and then cranks up.
This was a collapse of the credit system. There was not a lot of credit to finance the expansion of the economy.
More stimulus would have meant a stronger, faster economy.
We have another recession coming, watch closely how it works.
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Don't strain your brain on that one. Fact is that our modern over-productive economies don't need everyone working anyways. Either a basic guaranteed income should be instituted or the declines in the work week should have continued instead of slowly creeping back to where they were before the 40 hour week became the standard.

The problem with rightwing thinkers is they prefer to kick down/rather than punch up in a hierarchy. For some, shaming the poor is more gratifying than focusing on the rich!
*I'm more familiar with poverty than I was a few years back, and I haven't met any in those situations yet who are happy to be where they are at the bottom of the social pecking order and objects of derision for those just a little further ahead.
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Ya know, Sabcat, sometimes you are just a delightful person. I truly mean that--not being sarcastic at all--and you know that sarcasm is another service I offer, but not today.

After a quick search, I found this, which is not recent but may be ballpark:
Most food stamp recipients do (work). In fact, in 2012 more than 47.8 percent of families receiving food stamp were working (the highest ever), and only 13.2 percent were welfare recipients with no working adults, according to the US Department of Agriculture.Oct 14, 2013
Where Are all the Couch Potatoes and Welfare Queens? | The ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gary.....p_b_4085773.ht...


More to my point. If in fact the majority of people who want jobs have them then we should be able to look at the welfare rolls and tell people who have been completely subsidized for 6mo or more and tell them they have X amount of time to find employment before they are completely cut off.

There are generational welfare societies (if that is the correct term) where the mom grew up w/ her mom getting checks and are now raising her children the same way. That is where I take major issue (aside from "refugees" but that is an entirely different discussion) IF people are getting subsidized and not working at least 30 hr/wk they should be doing something to advance their situation. Just sending money in the mail is not helping anyone. There should be budgeting classes, trade classes, temp work, volunteer work, community service. Something. If/when people have not utalize their time on the dole to advance themselves they should be cut off. Period.

I don't have an issue w/ a family who's both parents are working and they get SNAPP or things along those lines.

I worked w/ the homeless as a career for some time and still volunteer from time to time. Trust me this is a reality as is addiction. We have people who come here because it is easy to get "in the system" as they wait to get accepted in another city. Transient "welfare workers". I know people who are not only completely subsidized but are also collecting "child support" from multiple "fathers" this is also a very real thing.
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The recession ended on its on in June of 2009, before most of the stimulus spending took place.
So. What's your point? We still needed a stimulus.
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More to my point. If in fact the majority of people who want jobs have them then we should be able to look at the welfare rolls and tell people who have been completely subsidized for 6mo or more and tell them they have X amount of time to find employment before they are completely cut off.

There are generational welfare societies (if that is the correct term) where the mom grew up w/ her mom getting checks and are now raising her children the same way. That is where I take major issue (aside from "refugees" but that is an entirely different discussion) IF people are getting subsidized and not working at least 30 hr/wk they should be doing something to advance their situation. Just sending money in the mail is not helping anyone. There should be budgeting classes, trade classes, temp work, volunteer work, community service. Something. If/when people have not utalize their time on the dole to advance themselves they should be cut off. Period.

I don't have an issue w/ a family who's both parents are working and they get SNAPP or things along those lines.

I worked w/ the homeless as a career for some time and still volunteer from time to time. Trust me this is a reality as is addiction. We have people who come here because it is easy to get "in the system" as they wait to get accepted in another city. Transient "welfare workers". I know people who are not only completely subsidized but are also collecting "child support" from multiple "fathers" this is also a very real thing.


Believe it or not I agree that welfare recipients should be cut off at some point. It's called Temporary Assistance. AND you are correct about the cycle of welfare. There is also something called generational poverty.
There is no simple answer to either issue, but as a teacher I would certainly suggest that vocational training be at the top of the problem solving list, and not just for those on welfare, but for those who were in manufacturing jobs, coal country, department stores, postal/government jobs, newspaper industry, and communications. We should also bring vocational training BACK to our high schools.
I belong to an organization who funds college scholarships for women. We grant scholarships to H.S. senior girls, women returning to school and women who want advanced degrees. This year our scholarship recipient is a H.S. senior who wants to go into veterinarian science--specifically zoological biology. So as part of her goal, because we're talking MANY years of college, Hannah is attending community college WHILE STILL IN high school so that she can work part time as a vet assistant next year--her Freshman year in college. This way she can pay for her college education and grad school. This is a very smart girl, but she's also ambitious and a hard worker...BUT it can be done.
So why doesn't everyone do this??
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Welfare abuse isn't a problem in this country, well paying jobs are. So let's focus on that .
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Agreed. Now go run for president.
Been away too long...should I run for president of Canada?
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No, come here illegally like most Americans.
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