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Old March 29th, 2017, 08:40 AM   #81
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You have no idea how many millions of tons of consumer goods are consumed every day, and you think using rockets to transport it all would make any economic sense?

Sorry webguy, that's a myth unless some miraculous source of energy is discovered, and it could happen.
It does not take a powerful rocket to transport from asteroids to the earth, there's no large gravity well to overcome. All you mostly need is a cargo container that can survive entry into the atmosphere.
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Old March 29th, 2017, 08:48 AM   #82
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It does not take a powerful rocket to transport from asteroids to the earth, there's no large gravity well to overcome. All you mostly need is a cargo container that can survive entry into the atmosphere.
That's all you need. Like asteroids entering the atmosphere.

I know, they will have invented krypton by then.
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Old March 29th, 2017, 09:15 AM   #83
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It does not take a powerful rocket to transport from asteroids to the earth, there's no large gravity well to overcome. All you mostly need is a cargo container that can survive entry into the atmosphere.
Hey asshat! how do the Rockets get to the asteroids in the first place?
From earth.
That takes a huge amount of energy to accomplish for even the smallest of
satellites.
For any vehicle to survive reentry it needs some form of breaking.
Did you ever noticed how large and how many parachutes it took to "land" just one apollo control module?
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Old March 29th, 2017, 09:39 AM   #84
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Hey asshat! how do the Rockets get to the asteroids in the first place?
From earth.
That takes a huge amount of energy to accomplish for even the smallest of
satellites.
For any vehicle to survive reentry it needs some form of breaking.
Did you ever noticed how large and how many parachutes it took to "land" just one apollo control module?
Once mining and construction gets established everything you need to construct rockets is out there.

How big was the upper stage of the apollo moon lander? Even that small rocket achieved lunar orbit. From an asteroid even smaller rockets would suffice.
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Once mining and construction gets established everything you need to construct rockets is out there.

How big was the upper stage of the apollo moon lander? Even that small rocket achieved lunar orbit. From an asteroid even smaller rockets would suffice.
There is a very slim chance some day diamonds or gold or platinum might be economic to exploit that way, but if we are ever going to use such sources for iron or copper, our economies will be screwed into total disintegration.

And how do we get the materials and energy up there to build manufacturing plants.

A righty not looking at profit motive?
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And a myth it is, but it's a myth believed by those who are looking for some excuse for fucking up the Earth, the "No Problem" myth that after we completely fuck up this planet, we've got lots of other planets and asteroids to fuck up.

Strangely, lots of self-professed Christians buy into this myth.
It just popped into my head that the Mormons believe God gives them (the men that is...married men...heads of families and all that bullshit) their own planet after they die to "be fruitful and multiply." So, that would especially fit religious mythology very closely.
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Think about what a rocket puts into the atmosphere on its way out, or the same decelerating on the way back? But webguy thinks by then rockets will be burning rainbows and unicorns. But green energy will never happen. He knows all about this stuff.
Even if the rocket is powered by hydrogen and oxygen (like the space shuttles) it still produces nitrous oxide in the exhaust, but more importantly- it requires much more energy to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen than energy produced when they're used as fuel. That is likely pretty much why all of the glowing stories with nice futuristic pictures I used to see in Popular Science about the coming hydrogen economy...never actually got off the ground either!
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It just popped into my head that the Mormons believe God gives them (the men that is...married men...heads of families and all that bullshit) their own planet after they die to "be fruitful and multiply." So, that would especially fit religious mythology very closely.
I grew up Mormon , I heard that myth so often it was hilarious.
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Capitalism Benefits the Common Man is what we are meant to be discussing. In fact, it is like living in trees - suitable and necessary at one time, but no longer useful. In fact it has lasted so far beyond its proper time that it is destroying the foundations of human life here, and as far as I know, the possibilities of moving populations through space are about zero. I suspect that this is why we get no contacts from Outside - other civilisations failed to develop beyond capitalism in time.
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Once mining and construction gets established everything you need to construct rockets is out there.

How big was the upper stage of the apollo moon lander? Even that small rocket achieved lunar orbit. From an asteroid even smaller rockets would suffice.
Robots can exist in space, outside of Earth's protective atmosphere and magnetic fields. Humans are another story.
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