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Old August 18th, 2012, 10:49 AM   #1
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I am preparing to attend college and I thought to myself, how America could get back on the fast track to success. Then it hit me. What we need is more educated people. A high school education, in my opinion, is not enough to classify a person as a qualified member in the US. We need college educated people. The reason is that a person who has higher learning is able to make good sound judgement and vote for the right people which will remove the ineffective political leaders. We need the US government to pay for College, and not wars. With this funding you would have the common man having the right knowledge to improve the political situation near them and then improve our great country. Also the college educated person would have a better job and would be a productive person in society.
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Of course, I think this has been obvious to most people for awhile now. But, how are to get these "lesser" people into college when at times they are just not intelligent enough and/or not willing to work hard to set and meet life goals? Standards have to be met, putting money into college programs isn't going to suddenly start a mass production of geniuses I'm afraid.
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I am preparing to attend college and I thought to myself, how America could get back on the fast track to success. Then it hit me. What we need is more educated people. A high school education, in my opinion, is not enough to classify a person as a qualified member in the US. We need college educated people. The reason is that a person who has higher learning is able to make good sound judgement and vote for the right people which will remove the ineffective political leaders. We need the US government to pay for College, and not wars. With this funding you would have the common man having the right knowledge to improve the political situation near them and then improve our great country. Also the college educated person would have a better job and would be a productive person in society.


First never work off the assumption that a degree or diploma is an education.



Secondly, one of the major problems with the American education system is assuming and preparing each student for college. There are students who do not want to go, do no have the skills to go, and have stronger aptitudes in areas other than a college education. Look at the other countries that kick our ass in testing. They ferret out the college students and the vocational students pretty early, and send each one down that path. We do not offer, test, or even acknowledge that a vocation should be taught in high school. What our system is doing it tossing the kids out at 18, and if they have no intention of going to college, they are 4 years behind the curve. They could have spend four years learning a vocation in high school.
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Of course, I think this has been obvious to most people for awhile now. But, how are to get these "lesser" people into college when at times they are just not intelligent enough and/or not willing to work hard to set and meet life goals? Standards have to be met, putting money into college programs isn't going to suddenly start a mass production of geniuses I'm afraid.


True but many people I have met cannot go to college or put off by the thought of college because of the cost. Many people think it is easier to just start working than hassling with college. I am sure that every person has a desire in them to be great and that this can be harnessed into them working hard enough in college.
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I am preparing to attend college and I thought to myself, how America could get back on the fast track to success. Then it hit me. What we need is more educated people. A high school education, in my opinion, is not enough to classify a person as a qualified member in the US. We need college educated people. The reason is that a person who has higher learning is able to make good sound judgement and vote for the right people which will remove the ineffective political leaders. We need the US government to pay for College, and not wars. With this funding you would have the common man having the right knowledge to improve the political situation near them and then improve our great country. Also the college educated person would have a better job and would be a productive person in society.


First never work off the assumption that a degree or diploma is an education.



Secondly, one of the major problems with the American education system is assuming and preparing each student for college. There are students who do not want to go, do no have the skills to go, and have stronger aptitudes in areas other than a college education. Look at the other countries that kick our ass in testing. They ferret out the college students and the vocational students pretty early, and send each one down that path. We do not offer, test, or even acknowledge that a vocation should be taught in high school. What our system is doing it tossing the kids out at 18, and if they have no intention of going to college, they are 4 years behind the curve. They could have spend four years learning a vocation in high school.


Quite right but a Diploma is sort of like proof that you have an education. Nowadays passing high school is not enough for the world. The world needs college educated people because they have the expertise needed.
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Of course, I think this has been obvious to most people for awhile now. But, how are to get these "lesser" people into college when at times they are just not intelligent enough and/or not willing to work hard to set and meet life goals? Standards have to be met, putting money into college programs isn't going to suddenly start a mass production of geniuses I'm afraid.


True but many people I have met cannot go to college or put off by the thought of college because of the cost. Many people think it is easier to just start working than hassling with college. I am sure that every person has a desire in them to be great and that this can be harnessed into them working hard enough in college.
Yes, this is true. But, these people probably make up around 10% of those who don't go to college.
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Of course, I think this has been obvious to most people for awhile now. But, how are to get these "lesser" people into college when at times they are just not intelligent enough and/or not willing to work hard to set and meet life goals? Standards have to be met, putting money into college programs isn't going to suddenly start a mass production of geniuses I'm afraid.


True but many people I have met cannot go to college or put off by the thought of college because of the cost. Many people think it is easier to just start working than hassling with college. I am sure that every person has a desire in them to be great and that this can be harnessed into them working hard enough in college.
Yes, this is true. But, these people probably make up around 10% of those who don't go to college.

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Plus the whole reason of advocating college costs is that the amount of debt a student has to come out of college with is staggering! Eventually people will not be able to afford to go to college at this rate! I had some very good out of state colleges I wished to go to but they had a staggering cost!
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Of course, I think this has been obvious to most people for awhile now. But, how are to get these "lesser" people into college when at times they are just not intelligent enough and/or not willing to work hard to set and meet life goals? Standards have to be met, putting money into college programs isn't going to suddenly start a mass production of geniuses I'm afraid.


True but many people I have met cannot go to college or put off by the thought of college because of the cost. Many people think it is easier to just start working than hassling with college. I am sure that every person has a desire in them to be great and that this can be harnessed into them working hard enough in college.


Anyone can go to college. It is a matter of how badly they want to, and being reasonable about which school. There are 3 UT schools in the Dallas area, UNT, TCU, SMU, more junior colleges than you can count. Part time job, live at home, etc. Full time job and night school. It is a matter of desire. There was a janitor at an ivy league school, I can't remember the name, worked all day, went to night school and graduated with honors from the school. He was a foreign student and English was his second language. That is desire.



Assuming that one's definition of being great is tied to a college education is not a fair statement, and an insult those who choose a vocation over college. Some people just want to be a great mechanic, a great plumber, or a great electrician.
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Of course, I think this has been obvious to most people for awhile now. But, how are to get these "lesser" people into college when at times they are just not intelligent enough and/or not willing to work hard to set and meet life goals? Standards have to be met, putting money into college programs isn't going to suddenly start a mass production of geniuses I'm afraid.


True but many people I have met cannot go to college or put off by the thought of college because of the cost. Many people think it is easier to just start working than hassling with college. I am sure that every person has a desire in them to be great and that this can be harnessed into them working hard enough in college.
Yes, this is true. But, these people probably make up around 10% of those who don't go to college.

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Plus the whole reason of advocating college costs is that the amount of debt a student has to come out of college with is staggering! Eventually people will not be able to afford to go to college at this rate! I had some very good out of state colleges I wished to go to but they had a staggering cost!

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You are describing someone who goes away to college, lives in a dorm, and has to borrow money to do that. That is not smart. If your curcumstances do not allow that, live within your circumstances.
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Of course, I think this has been obvious to most people for awhile now. But, how are to get these "lesser" people into college when at times they are just not intelligent enough and/or not willing to work hard to set and meet life goals? Standards have to be met, putting money into college programs isn't going to suddenly start a mass production of geniuses I'm afraid.


True but many people I have met cannot go to college or put off by the thought of college because of the cost. Many people think it is easier to just start working than hassling with college. I am sure that every person has a desire in them to be great and that this can be harnessed into them working hard enough in college.


Anyone can go to college. It is a matter of how badly they want to, and being reasonable about which school. There are 3 UT schools in the Dallas area, UNT, TCU, SMU, more junior colleges than you can count. Part time job, live at home, etc. Full time job and night school. It is a matter of desire. There was a janitor at an ivy league school, I can't remember the name, worked all day, went to night school and graduated with honors from the school. He was a foreign student and English was his second language. That is desire.



Assuming that one's definition of being great is tied to a college education is not a fair statement, and an insult those who choose a vocation over college. Some people just want to be a great mechanic, a great plumber, or a great electrician.

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As my friend said one day, the jobs that are emerging will not need a whole lot of mechanics, plumbers, or electricians. The only thing you should ask yourself when considering a career is can this job be done by anyone or anything else. Soon robots will replace a lot of jobs and those with a college degree can usually end up with a good paying job which can help them. I love cars and i think being a mechanic is awesome, but I am not going to be a mechanic but make it a hobby. I need money so I get a good job and the things I am passioned about will become my hobby
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