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Old January 21st, 2015, 06:29 PM   #111
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Are you not getting it? Your CHOICE is not my, or anyone else's responsibility. This will become just another rat-hole the taxpayers will be FORCED to pay for. And the cost will sore. And guess who gets to regulate it? And guess who will be deciding what classes you'll be taking. This government has already taken over health care, and it's not pretty, what happens when they completely take over education? The bottom line is, it's your choice, you pay for it. Don't tell me I have to!
None of that strikes me as a real policy argument. It sounds more like you're just ranting generally about your feelings about the government or something. Do you have arguments against spending $6b to cover the cost of community college?
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None of that strikes me as a real policy argument. It sounds more like you're just ranting generally about your feelings about the government or something. Do you have arguments against spending $6b to cover the cost of community college?
Is $6 Billion too much to prepare our population for the high tech manufacturing market ? It's a matter of priority and lobbyist greed;

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In June 2013 the Government Accountability Office (GAO) claimed that the estimated total cost to develop and procure the F-35 at $395.7 billion, a significant increase from the original $233 billion estimate in 2001.
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Old January 22nd, 2015, 07:23 AM   #113
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Is $6 Billion too much to prepare our population for the high tech manufacturing market ? It's a matter of priority and lobbyist greed;
Your point you don't like overspending.. VOTE TEA PARTY..

So why did the Democrat party (who has controlled ALL or minimum 1/2 of congress SPEND SO MUCH FOR AN AIRPLANE).
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10% by when? Graduation? Do you mean 10% get a job or 10% get a job "in their major" or something like that? Do you have a source?

If you're looking at "in their major" type lists, of course the more abstract degrees won't as often lead to jobs that require that particular degree. That's pretty much what it means to be an abstract degree.

Anyways, when choosing a major, I think it is wise to think about where you'll be in 20 years more than where you'll be right after graduation. I'm not saying everybody needs a lofty, abstract, sort of degree. Some people are unlikely to do a kind of work that requires that level of thinking. But, many people do end up doing work that requires writing well, analyzing problems logically, etc. and for them, it is often a better choice to get a more abstract, theoretical degree than a practical, narrowly focused type of degree.
Did you not read the link that I attached to the original post.
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Old January 22nd, 2015, 09:55 AM   #115
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problem is only 10% of those that graduate with an economics degree got a job offer
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Did you not read the link that I attached to the original post.
Oh, I see where you're getting mixed up. Your original source said their UNemployment rate was 9.4%, not that 10% were employed. When you said 10% were employed, I assumed you were talking about in jobs that required a degree in that major or something because obviously they don't have 90% unemployment lol.
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Free Community College?

Community College already is free (if you're wise). Students qualify for Pell Grants up to $6000 per year from the federal government, and possibly a single or couple thousand dollar worth of grants from their state, if applied. Then, as long as a student is enrolled at least half-time in school, they are eligible to receive about $6000-$8000 per year--no strings attached. My local Community College is $1500 per semester for full-time students, or $3000 per year.

Then, a student could go to Community College for 3 years, earn multiple associates degrees in disciplines that credential them for post-graduation jobs in the $40,000-$75,000 range; all free of charge, plus the government pays you $12,000 which you are able to invest in anyway you please--which, if you are savvy, is a strong basis for building more money, credit score, etc. etc.

The bigger question is; what is everyone complaining about? Why are they so unable to see the 'chess board' accurately and play a good game?
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Free Community College?

Community College already is free (if you're wise). Students qualify for Pell Grants up to $6000 per year from the federal government, and possibly a single or couple thousand dollar worth of grants from their state, if applied. Then, as long as a student is enrolled at least half-time in school, they are eligible to receive about $6000-$8000 per year--no strings attached. My local Community College is $1500 per semester for full-time students, or $3000 per year.

Then, a student could go to Community College for 3 years, earn multiple associates degrees in disciplines that credential them for post-graduation jobs in the $40,000-$75,000 range; all free of charge, plus the government pays you $12,000 which you are able to invest in anyway you please--which, if you are savvy, is a strong basis for building more money, credit score, etc. etc.

The bigger question is; what is everyone complaining about? Why are they so unable to see the 'chess board' accurately and play a good game?
give me the long and deep on how to do this.
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give me the long and deep on how to do this.
Sure. I will start with an overview, and if further clarification is needed, I will expand in particular areas where requested.

I. Apply to Community College

-Apply to your local community college
-Figure out full-time semester tuition & fees rates as well as per credit hour
--Example: My local community college is $1600 flat tuition rate per semester for full-time students (i.e. 12-18 credits), or $3200 per year
--Note, full-time status is not required for the Pell Grant, only half-time, in which case yearly costs would be $1600
--Pell Grant goes toward tuition first, and then the rest is reimbursed to you by check in mail or direct deposit to bank account. So, the less money spent on tuition, the more in your pocket.
-See what programs are offered
--Example Associate Degree programs with salaries in the $40,000-$75,000 range:

a. Engineering
b. Computer Science
c. Nursing
d. Dental Hygienist
e. Chemistry
f. Radiology
g. Electrician
h. Plumbing
i. CAD
j. PTA (Physical Therapy Assistant)
k. Software Development
l. HVAC
m. Multimedia, Web Development, and Gaming
n. Architecture and Drafting
o. Aviation and Flight Training
p. Accounting
.
.
.
etc. etc.

II. File for FASFA

-Each year, you must file for Financial Aid with the Federal Government for school. This is very easy, takes maybe 30 minutes. Website here: https://fafsa.ed.gov/
-After file for federal aid, file for State level aid (the link for your state should be emailed to you after completing your federal fasfa)
-This information will be provided to the school(s) you send it to, who will offer you a Financial Aid package.
-Federal Pell Grant is nearly $6000 per year, and State is typically $1000-2000. Students qualify for 6 years.
-Then, if used properly, no-strings-attached College money offered to students by the State over the 6 year period is between $36,000 to $48,000. If you attend low cost tuition schools, then you can 'pocket' a sizeable chunk of that money--the rest will automatically go toward your tuition and fees.

III. Build your Credit

-Young people with no prior credit history have neither good nor bad credit--just 'no real credit'. Then, there is typically a bit of a 'chicken and the egg' problem with how to build credit as it (often) requires credit in order to apply for cards
-However, attending College (including Community College) helps bypass this issue. Start with 1 or 2 basic Secured cards where you put a small security deposit down (which the Pell Grant cover), form very minor credit history (only a few months required). Then, a number of credit companies offer student cards, as College kids are viewed as a more promising return then average. These are typically unsecured cards (i.e. no money down required), with higher credit limits. College students can potentially (easily) get 5 or so such cards, opening up various lines of credit with different institutions, and raising their credit limit. This combined with low utilization rate and on time payments could easily get a young persons credit score over the 700+ mark by the time they graduate. Another way the Pell Grant helps build up credit in this way is through opening various banking accounts with the money directly deposited in from the Grant. (A) It is much easier to get a credit card through a bank that you do business with (B ) Banks almost always have opening promotions somewhere between $100-350. Additionally, credit cards will often have similar promotions. Then, if you shift the money around wisely, you can make extra thousand to few thousands simply for shifting money around in a strategic manner. This process can be repeated in a years time, by which time the banks will want you to come back and re-offer such promotions.
-With this new credit score and extra money, one could easily put a down-payment on a condominium and qualify for good mortgage rates, which is another safe investment rather than renting for years--which is just lost money.

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If you just want the money, you can enroll in as little as a few/several online 'fluff' courses at your local community college and still get the full Pell Grant for 6 years.

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