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Old January 10th, 2015, 12:14 PM   #11
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This is a very important policy for the future.
When k-12 free education was made the norm in the 19th century, a high school degree was an aspiration that most never reached, and it was close to a guarantee of employment at a decent wage. Today, the economy is producing fewer and fewer jobs at decent wages for those without at least some college education, so two year colleges and eventually four year colleges and even grad school has to become free, to generate the numbers of graduates the country will need to sustain the economy.
Or we just open the doors to let in all the foreign professionals to take the best jobs....
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Old January 10th, 2015, 12:25 PM   #12
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This is a very important policy for the future.
When k-12 free education was made the norm in the 19th century, a high school degree was an aspiration that most never reached, and it was close to a guarantee of employment at a decent wage. Today, the economy is producing fewer and fewer jobs at decent ages for those without at least some college education, so two year colleges and eventually four year colleges and even grad school has to become free, to generate the numbers of graduates the country will need to sustain the economy.
Or we just open the doors to let in all the foreign professionals to take the best jobs....
Then along came Liberalism, and replaced the education system with a School System.

Social promotions, Lack of accoutablity for teachers, removal of standardized testing, no longer teaching the 3 Rs, etc.
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Old January 10th, 2015, 12:50 PM   #13
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After Pre-K-12 they are reading at a 7th grade level.

http://www.educationviews.org/averag...h-grade-level/

So Obama's proposal is in effect Pre-K-14 in hopes that they'll read at an 8th grade level? Farce. The same folks told us how important pre-school, and Head Start are. It is fact that Head Start offers no benefits after third grade All farce, and part of the government-education complex.

Check the percentage on the Dean's List at Columbia, or on the honor's list at Harvard. Then realize that the education system is in the hands of the liberals.


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Old January 10th, 2015, 02:47 PM   #14
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I could support this if...academic qualifications were set at a 3.0 standard to qualify for a free JC education. Otherwise, this looks like a giant can of worms to me. Another case of letting the camel get a foot in the door. What next, free college for everyone at taxpayer expense?
On second thought, I don't like this at all!
Several European countries offer free or very low cost college educations. Their thinking is, the people that attend college will most likely earn higher incomes, and therefore repay the cost of their education, via taxes, several times over the course of their careers.

The real value of the minimum wage has fallen 25% over the last 2 decades. At the same time, tuition at most state colleges has risen more than 200%.
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This is a very important policy for the future.
When k-12 free education was made the norm in the 19th century, a high school degree was an aspiration that most never reached, and it was close to a guarantee of employment at a decent wage. Today, the economy is producing fewer and fewer jobs at decent ages for those without at least some college education, so two year colleges and eventually four year colleges and even grad school has to become free, to generate the numbers of graduates the country will need to sustain the economy.
Or we just open the doors to let in all the foreign professionals to take the best jobs....
There are more college grads than jobs now, how does increasing the number of grads increase the number of jobs that require them?
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This is a very important policy for the future.
When k-12 free education was made the norm in the 19th century, a high school degree was an aspiration that most never reached, and it was close to a guarantee of employment at a decent wage. Today, the economy is producing fewer and fewer jobs at decent ages for those without at least some college education, so two year colleges and eventually four year colleges and even grad school has to become free, to generate the numbers of graduates the country will need to sustain the economy.
Or we just open the doors to let in all the foreign professionals to take the best jobs....
You need a leader that will fix the economy, first...
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Several European countries offer free or very low cost college educations. Their thinking is, the people that attend college will most likely earn higher incomes, and therefore repay the cost of their education, via taxes, several times over the course of their careers.

The real value of the minimum wage has fallen 25% over the last 2 decades. At the same time, tuition at most state colleges has risen more than 200%.

There is no free college. Duh.

And the European economies have done so well with all that free college?

Who runs the education establishment in America? The liberal-left. Which is in bed with the government. The government-education complex at work. And community college with a C+ average for free?

Again, the college freshman are reading at 7th grdae level, and this with pre-K, Head Start, etc., etc. All brought to you as necessary by the government-education complex.



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Old January 10th, 2015, 04:14 PM   #18
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There are more college grads than jobs now, how does increasing the number of grads increase the number of jobs that require them?
And how many of those are Bachelors of Arts or Psychology?
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and how many of those are bachelors of arts or psychology?
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And how many of those are Bachelors of Arts or Psychology?
Apollo, for example, sent out a definitive call for definitive jobs. JFK's "moon speech" didn't limit the education/job paradigm to landing on the moon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g25G1M4EXrQ

Oddly...this speech was made on September 12th........so it speaks of renewal, today. Good Democrat......
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