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roastpork June 26th, 2015 07:50 AM

Education under Democrats
 
Well it looks like education under Democrats equals no education at all.:mellow:

Itís been nearly three years since the Chicago Teachers Union, or CTU, walked out on more than 350,000 students in Chicago Public Schools, or CPS. The bitter strike lasted a full week and left the relationship between the administration and the union shattered.
Now, the CTU contract is coming up for renewal, and it should be no surprise that the next standoff will again be about money.
At issue in the 2012 negotiations were district demands for greater teacher accountability and longer school days. CTU wanted more money. In the end, the union won higher wages and watered down accountability measures.
This time, the fight revolves around pensions and the cityís ability and willingness to make its legally required, $634 million contribution to the pension fund.
CTU wants the city to make the full contribution to the Chicago Teachersí Pension Fund, or CTPF. But both CTU officials and the district know thereís not enough money to pay both the pension contribution and make payroll. Something has to give.
After years of pension holidays, overly generous pension benefits, a lack of transparency and rampant cronyism, the reality is both the CPS system and CTPF are now broke.
But thatís not stopping both sides from playing games. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel wants another pension holiday, while the unions want higher taxes to pump more money into a failing system.
Without real pension reform, the next battle wonít have a happy ending for Chicagoans.
As that battle begins to break out, here are some facts youíll need to know:
1. The CPS system is a behemoth. A bankruptcy will have a serious impact on the credit of the city of Chicago, which has already been downgraded to junk.

2. The pension fundís debt has tripled to more than $9 billion since 2005. Without pension reform, this shortfall is only likely to grow, pushing CPS closer to bankruptcy.

3. A well-managed pension fund should be at least 90 percent funded. CTPF is just 51.5 percent funded. The funding level has collapsed due to underfunding and mismanagement.

4. To bring the pension fund back to health, CPS is required to make significantly higher contributions to the pension fund. Thatís leaving less money to meet payroll and fund classrooms.

5. Chicago teacher salaries ramp up quickly. Chicagoís teachers are the highest paid in the nation when compared to teachers in the countryís 10 largest metropolitan school districts.

6. Expect the pension crisis to get worse. Retirees now outnumber active workers. That means more people are drawing from the pension fund than putting money into it.

7. Retirement benefits must be reassessed. The average pension for a career worker in CPS who retired in 2014 totals more than $68,000.

Ted Dabrowski
Vice President of Policy

Camelot June 26th, 2015 08:00 AM

Why do Red southern states always rank the lowest in the country when it comes to student performance if Republicans are such Einsteins when it comes to education ?

roastpork June 26th, 2015 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Camelot (Post 821264)
Why do Red southern states always rank the lowest in the country when it comes to student performance if Republicans are such Einsteins when it comes to education ?


Ah yes, just ignore the article and the truth, how droll, no valid discussion just avoidance of reality, which has always been a fault of Liberals/Progressives.:lol:

Camelot June 26th, 2015 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by roastpork (Post 821271)

Ah yes, just ignore the article and the truth, how droll, no valid discussion just avoidance of reality, which has always been a fault of Liberals/Progressives.:lol:

Just pointing out what a deplorable record Republicans have in red states when it comes to education. That's the truth.....truth

Atehequa June 27th, 2015 06:11 AM

I'm rather glad my children were not taught that the earth is only six thousand years old or that Noah's flood made the Grand Canyon.

Libertine June 27th, 2015 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Camelot (Post 821276)
Just pointing out what a deplorable record Republicans have in red states when it comes to education. That's the truth.....truth

You need to take a look at literacy rates in NYC, Chicago or LA and rethink that comment.

TNVolunteer73 June 27th, 2015 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Camelot (Post 821264)
Why do Red southern states always rank the lowest in the country when it comes to student performance if Republicans are such Einsteins when it comes to education ?

Because the stat you are following is based on College Entrance Exams. ACT and SAT... 9-12th grade.

In Most southern states, ALL STUDENTS are required to take the SAT or ACT.

This includes ALL students from Special Education Students to Honors Students.

In NY, CA, Mass. etc.. only students that are going to college take the exam.

you see. The bottom 50% of students are not tested. In most southern states they are included in the total statistical curve.

LongWinded June 28th, 2015 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by roastpork (Post 821259)
Well it looks like education under Democrats equals no education at all.:mellow:

It’s been nearly three years since the Chicago Teachers Union, or CTU, walked out on more than 350,000 students in Chicago Public Schools, or CPS. The bitter strike lasted a full week and left the relationship between the administration and the union shattered.
Now, the CTU contract is coming up for renewal, and it should be no surprise that the next standoff will again be about money.
At issue in the 2012 negotiations were district demands for greater teacher accountability and longer school days. CTU wanted more money. In the end, the union won higher wages and watered down accountability measures.
This time, the fight revolves around pensions and the city’s ability and willingness to make its legally required, $634 million contribution to the pension fund.
CTU wants the city to make the full contribution to the Chicago Teachers’ Pension Fund, or CTPF. But both CTU officials and the district know there’s not enough money to pay both the pension contribution and make payroll. Something has to give.
After years of pension holidays, overly generous pension benefits, a lack of transparency and rampant cronyism, the reality is both the CPS system and CTPF are now broke.
But that’s not stopping both sides from playing games. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel wants another pension holiday, while the unions want higher taxes to pump more money into a failing system.
Without real pension reform, the next battle won’t have a happy ending for Chicagoans.
As that battle begins to break out, here are some facts you’ll need to know:
1. The CPS system is a behemoth. A bankruptcy will have a serious impact on the credit of the city of Chicago, which has already been downgraded to junk.

2. The pension fund’s debt has tripled to more than $9 billion since 2005. Without pension reform, this shortfall is only likely to grow, pushing CPS closer to bankruptcy.

3. A well-managed pension fund should be at least 90 percent funded. CTPF is just 51.5 percent funded. The funding level has collapsed due to underfunding and mismanagement.

4. To bring the pension fund back to health, CPS is required to make significantly higher contributions to the pension fund. That’s leaving less money to meet payroll and fund classrooms.

5. Chicago teacher salaries ramp up quickly. Chicago’s teachers are the highest paid in the nation when compared to teachers in the country’s 10 largest metropolitan school districts.

6. Expect the pension crisis to get worse. Retirees now outnumber active workers. That means more people are drawing from the pension fund than putting money into it.

7. Retirement benefits must be reassessed. The average pension for a career worker in CPS who retired in 2014 totals more than $68,000.

Ted Dabrowski
Vice President of Policy

We lead the world in the most highly educated citizenry when we all attended public schools or accredited religious schools. NOW, we fail each year to stay the failure we were the year before in international rankings.

Why the World Is Smarter Than US - The Daily Beast

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For all our national hand-wringing about standardized testing and teacher tenure, many of us immersed in the American education debate can’t escape the nagging suspicion that something else—something cultural, something nearly intangible—is holding back our school system. In 1962, historian Richard Hofstadter famously dubbed it “anti-intellectualism in American life.”

“A host of educational problems has arisen from indifference,” he wrote, “underpaid teachers, overcrowded classrooms, double-schedule schools, broken-down school buildings, inadequate facilities and a number of other failings that come from something else—the cult of athleticism, marching bands, high-school drum majorettes, ethnic ghetto schools, de-intellectualized curricula, the failure to educate in serious subjects, the neglect of academically gifted children.”

It would be comforting to think that since Hofstadter’s time a string of national reform initiatives—A Nation at Risk, No Child Left Behind, Race to the Top, the Common Core—has addressed these issues. And though there has been some progress on the margins, journalist Amanda Ripley is here with a riveting new book, The Smartest Kids in the World, to show us exactly why, compared with many of their peers in Europe and Asia, American students are still performing below the mark. According to the OECD, 20 countries have higher high school graduation rates than the United States. Among developed nations, our children rank 17th in reading and 31st in math. Even Poland, with high child poverty rates similar to our own, boasts stronger student achievement and faster system-wide improvement.
Charter schools are failures. Private/religious schools are failures. This is the desire of the republican/teabagging party to make sure the Chinese have a stupid group of workers AND to take away education from the black and poor populations.

BTW, your source is from the Illinois Policy Institute.

They believe

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The Illinois Policy Institute (IPI) is a non-profit think tank based in Chicago, Illinois. The Institute has supported state spending cuts and opposed state tax increases, supported public pension reform, and advocated for school choice, including expanded charter schools in Illinois.
So, they are invested in corporate education. It's best to know the slant of your writers before you try to present propaganda as information.

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Organization overview

The Illinois Policy Institute was founded in 2002 and had 24 staff members in its Chicago office and five in its Springfield office as of 2013.[5][6] According to the Institute, the group "is an independent research and education organization generating public policy solutions aimed at promoting personal freedom and prosperity in Illinois."[7] John Tillman is the chief executive officer of the Institute.[1][7] The Institute has been described as conservative, libertarian, free-market, and nonpartisan.[8][9][10][11]

Governed by a board of directors,[12] the Illinois Policy Institute is a 501(c)(3) public charity with an associated lobbying unit called the Illinois Policy Action, a 501(c)(4).[3][13] The Institute also has an affiliated public interest law firm named the Liberty Justice Center.[2][14] The Institute operates the Illinois News Network which employs writers to supply newspapers with articles free of charge.[15][16][17] The Illinois Policy Institute is a member of the State Policy Network.[18]

According to The State Journal-Register, the Institute does not disclose its donors. As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, it is not required to do so.[19] Bruce Rauner, at the time chairman of the Chicago-based private equity firm GTCR, donated $525,000 to the Institute between 2008 and 2013.[20][15][21]
Activities

The Illinois Policy Institute has been active in public policy areas including supporting state spending cuts and opposing state tax increases, supporting public pension reform, and advocating for school choice including expanding charter schools.[5][22][23] In 2010, then-Illinois State Senator James Meeks (D-Chicago) spoke at an Institute luncheon in support of proposed legislation to offer school vouchers to 42,000 Chicago Public School students.[24] The bill advanced through the Illinois Senate but did not pass the Illinois House of Representatives.[5] According to progressive blogger Lee Fang, IPI staff members were among the originators of the tea party idea.[25]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Policy_Institute

Gee, think he'd be against a government run educational system which had higher success rates than the investment corporations of charter schools?

imaginethat June 28th, 2015 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 (Post 821983)
Because the stat you are following is based on College Entrance Exams. ACT and SAT... 9-12th grade.

In Most southern states, ALL STUDENTS are required to take the SAT or ACT.

This includes ALL students from Special Education Students to Honors Students.

In NY, CA, Mass. etc.. only students that are going to college take the exam.

you see. The bottom 50% of students are not tested. In most southern states they are included in the total statistical curve.

Here's the breakdown:

http://www.edweek.org/media/2014/10/27/10sat-c1.jpg

I count 25 states with no requirements at all.

NAEP test results:

http://imageshack.com/a/img537/2374/pqugEd.png

excalibur June 28th, 2015 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LongWinded (Post 822138)

Private/religious schools are failures.



That is a fabrication right there.




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