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Old December 21st, 2015, 10:54 AM   #11
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Academics read, how about you? What economic books have you read?

Have you Turchin's explanation of why good times lead to bad times, and bad times lead to good times. His book explaining this is titled "War, and Peace, and War". I like to point out, that unlike all the history before, we are running out of land and have exhausted most our resources. It is more likely we will have a mass off in the future than see the growth of prosperity we had, following the second world war.
This is his obsession.

Bordering on a compulsive disorder.
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ALL educators do. Some favor socialism for the rich, like the republicans, and others favor socialism for the poor, like the democrats.
Really only 18 Republicans voted for Socialism for the Rich Banks and Corporations in 2008.

None voted for Socialism for the rich banks and Corporations in 2009 and 2010.


your statement is BACKWARDS.
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Old December 21st, 2015, 11:23 AM   #13
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I have only read one Economics book over 40 years ago because I found it laying around and read it in my spare time. The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith. If I am not mistaken Adam Smith said that the wealth of nations comes from agriculture.
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Most of them are Government employees.
But not all of them. My grandmother defended democracy in the classroom for many years. Most the time she worked in public schools, but she also worked in private schools.

Reflecting on my grandmother's generation of teachers, defending democracy in the classroom, I can think of little that is more important than this. Among the things we learned about democracy is united we stand and divided we fall. Unions greatly improve safety on the job and the standard of living for blue collar workers, and then professionals such as teachers and nurses. I think education for democracy will always make things better if that is what education about, It has not about that since 1958. However, because economies are so complex, I am not sure how effectively education can be manage economics?

An excellent book is "War, and Peace, and War" by Turchin. It explains why good times lead to bad times, and that seems to explain why almost every measure of civilized advancement has fallen in the last 30 years. Once upon a time, women were valued as homemakers, and men supported their families with one paycheck. I think that was civilized advancement, and I am sure if our civilization has advanced or if it has been in decline over the last 30 years?

We also know from the latest research, success in life is not restricted to genetics, nor to IQ and learned facts, but is very much about emotional things a developing child faces. Instability and insecurity are devastating and usually condemn a child to a life of failure, especially in our changed economic reality today, that makes higher education extremely important.

I do not consider selfishness, and greed, and a culture of corruption, a civilized advancement. However, with science and good moral judgment we might see a new golden age.

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I have only read one Economics book over 40 years ago because I found it laying around and read it in my spare time. The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith. If I am not mistaken Adam Smith said that the wealth of nations comes from agriculture.
In his day that was true. He is still considered one of the most important economic thinkers. The capitalism we have today is very corrupt compared to his understanding of the importance of virtuous to a good economy.

Industrialism would not have improved our lives, had it not been for unions, and education that stressed democratic and social values, and turning those values into laws and policies to protect the people. When we stopped education for this, things started going downhill.
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This is his obsession.

Bordering on a compulsive disorder.
Laugh, his obsession has bumped into my obsession. Our form of government is Republic and big money has taken control of it. Democracy was our culture, and it was education for democracy that created that. We replaced that education with education for the Military Industrial Complex with the 1958 National Defense Education Act, and that has totally perverted our Republic, as past President Eisenhower warned it might.

For sure if anyone mentions education or democracy, I will be jumping on it.
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Industrialism would not have improved our lives, had it not been for unions, and education that stressed democratic and social values, and turning those values into laws and policies to protect the people. When we stopped education for this, things started going downhill.
That is only true and only happened because then (the industrial age) as now, big business runs governments. Unions were necessary to correct a horrible situation. But as so often happens, they became powerful and power corrupts.

If governments had been enlightened and had instituted reasonable worker's rights laws, there would be no unions and the world would be a better place.
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ALL educators do. Some favor socialism for the rich, like the republicans, and others favor socialism for the poor, like the democrats.
Why do you keep saying democrats are the champions of the poor when all they do is create more!
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But not all of them. My grandmother defended democracy in the classroom for many years. Most the time she worked in public schools, but she also worked in private schools.

Reflecting on my grandmother's generation of teachers, defending democracy in the classroom, I can think of little that is more important than this. Among the things we learned about democracy is united we stand and divided we fall. Unions greatly improve safety on the job and the standard of living for blue collar workers, and then professionals such as teachers and nurses. I think education for democracy will always make things better if that is what education about, It has not about that since 1958. However, because economies are so complex, I am not sure how effectively education can be manage economics?

An excellent book is "War, and Peace, and War" by Turchin. It explains why good times lead to bad times, and that seems to explain why almost every measure of civilized advancement has fallen in the last 30 years. Once upon a time, women were valued as homemakers, and men supported their families with one paycheck. I think that was civilized advancement, and I am sure if our civilization has advanced or if it has been in decline over the last 30 years?

We also know from the latest research, success in life is not restricted to genetics, nor to IQ and learned facts, but is very much about emotional things a developing child faces. Instability and insecurity are devastating and usually condemn a child to a life of failure, especially in our changed economic reality today, that makes higher education extremely important.

I do not consider selfishness, and greed, and a culture of corruption, a civilized advancement. However, with science and good moral judgment we might see a new golden age.
It's true that since the red scare schools have been more focused of raising wards of the state. If you accept the axiom "those who can't do teach" and couple that w/ the fact that the primary source of revenue for higher education is through government funding the conclusion that it is in their best interest to promote socialist economic values is easy to reach.
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Academics tend to be highly intelligent people.
Not really. Academics tend to be highly educated (as in indoctrinated) people.

It's mostly about memorization and repetition, not reason, logic and original thought.

The purpose of our institutions of "higher" learning is to teach students what to think, not how to think.
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