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Old December 23rd, 2015, 01:24 PM   #21
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Not really. Academics tend to be highly educated (as in indoctrinated) people.

It's mostly about memorization and repetition, not reason, logic and original thought.

The purpose of our institutions of "higher" learning is to teach students what to think, not how to think.
One of the first things I was taught in military instructor school was objective vs subjective reasoning as it relates to teaching a class of many colors and many countries. I used objective reasoning 90% of the time and subjective reasoning 10% of the time to keep a happy class getting good grades.
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Academics tend to be highly intelligent people. Given their leftward leanings, one might be tempted to infer from this that more intelligent people tend to favor socialism. However, this conclusion suffers from what empirical researchers call "sample selection bias." Intelligent people hold a variety of views. Some are lovers of liberty, defenders of property, and supporters of the "natural order" — i.e., defenders of the market. Others are reformers, wanting to remake the world according to their own visions of the ideal society.

Hayek argues that exceptionally intelligent people who favor the market tend to find opportunities for professional and financial success outside the Academy (i.e., in the business or professional world). Those who are highly intelligent but ill-disposed toward the market are more likely to choose an academic career. For this reason, the universities come to be filled with those intellectuals who were favorably disposed toward socialism from the beginning.

This also leads to the phenomenon that academics don't know much about how markets work, since they have so little experience with them, living as they do in their subsidized ivory towers and protected by academic tenure. As Joseph Schumpeter explained in Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy, it is "the absence of direct responsibility for practical affairs" that distinguishes the academic intellectual from others "who wield the power of the spoken and the written word." This absence of direct responsibility leads to a corresponding absence of first-hand knowledge of practical affairs. The critical attitude of the intellectual arises, says Schumpeter, "no less from the intellectual's situation as an onlooker — in most cases also as an outsider — than from the fact that his main chance of asserting himself lies in his actual or potential nuisance value."3

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Sabcat, there are many half-truths and simply lies.

We’re all aware of the belief by some that “those that can, do; those that can’t, don’t (do)” and/or business persons generally “understand the prices of everything and the values of nothing”.

I don’t believe all respondents post only to cast illogical insults upon others but too many do so.
I do consider and appreciate the concept attributed to a recruiter for USA’s Office of Special Services during WW2 that was supposed to have described the ideal recruits as “university professors willing and able to kill by using only their bare hands (as weapons)”.

I’ll refrain from directly commenting upon your generality regarding academians.

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Old September 6th, 2016, 04:09 AM   #23
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Why do many educators favor socialism?

If they do, because they are educated and caring, and, unlike the heavily brainwashed majority, may have some faint notion of what the word means.
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Old September 6th, 2016, 05:37 AM   #24
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Why do many educators favor socialism?

If they do, because they are educated and caring, and, unlike the heavily brainwashed majority, may have some faint notion of what the word means.

Educators become educators for many reasons--none of which has to do with a political, social or economic theory. I became an educator because I loved learning, children, creativity, challenges, leading, organizing, and inspiring. I became a teacher because I love books/school--because my family stressed the importance of education. My grandparents were college graduates and so were my parents, cousins, and extended family. My family also stressed tolerance, fairness, equality, strength, and Christian values....all of which are necessary to be an outstanding teacher. Now you can call that socialism if you want to, but that's what teachers do. We teach children the three "R"s, but we also teach social skills, respect, manners, choices, sharing, assisting, supporting, punctuality, following instructions, finishing a task, forgiveness, good sportsmanship, preparedness, self-regulation and problem solving......and the list goes on. We teach academics AND socialization because thats what it takes to succeed in the global community. Our children cannot compete in a global economy if they are small-minded, intolerant, hateful and socially inept.
If conservatives and capitalists want something different for our children then why don't MORE CONSERVATIVES choose academia??
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Educators become educators for many reasons--none of which has to do with a political, social or economic theory. I became an educator because I loved learning, children, creativity, challenges, leading, organizing, and inspiring. I became a teacher because I love books/school--because my family stressed the importance of education. My grandparents were college graduates and so were my parents, cousins, and extended family. My family also stressed tolerance, fairness, equality, strength, and Christian values....all of which are necessary to be an outstanding teacher. Now you can call that socialism if you want to, but that's what teachers do. We teach children the three "R"s, but we also teach social skills, respect, manners, choices, sharing, assisting, supporting, punctuality, following instructions, finishing a task, forgiveness, good sportsmanship, preparedness, self-regulation and problem solving......and the list goes on. We teach academics AND socialization because thats what it takes to succeed in the global community. Our children cannot compete in a global economy if they are small-minded, intolerant, hateful and socially inept.
If conservatives and capitalists want something different for our children then why don't MORE CONSERVATIVES choose academia??
Conservatives wail over the liberal dominance of education, but in my decades-long local educational associations, I've seen few conservatives who had chosen education as a career.

Why?

Being an educator doesn't pay well enough....
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Many educators today have grown up with an education system geared toward teaching political correctness...more time on the promoted PC's than on how to engage their brains and do some independent thinking, along with little emphasis on the basics of education...including US history and how to read and understand what is read. They go to work with government and immediately start out with pre-determined benefits.
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Many educators today have grown up with an education system geared toward teaching political correctness...more time on the promoted PC's than on how to engage their brains and do some independent thinking, along with little emphasis on the basics of education...including US history and how to read and understand what is read. They go to work with government and immediately start out with pre-determined benefits.
Yes, and predetermined parents who no longer support educators or education.

My parents never sided with me in any of my grade school shenanigans, but that doesn't hold today. My little baby never does anything wrong.

Also, we guys got into trouble if we got into fights, but we were allowed to fight without psychological evaluations and campus lockdowns.

No parent came to the school the next day because Terry came home with a bloody nose or shiner demanding .... justice I suppose. Nope. Their dumb kid got in a fight.

Irony: For some, the more "patriotic" I suppose, it's become politically "correct" to point out political correctness.
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Many educators today have grown up with an education system geared toward teaching political correctness...more time on the promoted PC's than on how to engage their brains and do some independent thinking, along with little emphasis on the basics of education...including US history and how to read and understand what is read. They go to work with government and immediately start out with pre-determined benefits.
If by political correctness you mean teaching children to respect others, then YES!
The great thing about public school is that children come from all walks of life--all religions--all socio-economic levels and all nationalities. An educators job encompasses NOT just academics and education basics, but stressing the value in every person. Public school is where most children discover our differences and that they will encounter those differences in every endeavor for the rest of their lives---in their work place, in their communities, in their recreation, in their travels. Children are faced with unusual situations--a disabled child--a child who is wheel-chair bound, deaf/blind children. They will begin to understand children with cognitive challenges--children who are hungry and abused....and part of the educator's job is to encourage kindness, consideration and support for those who need it.
There is nothing PC about respect and it's a necessary component to succeed in this big ol' world.
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Conservatives wail over the liberal dominance of education, but in my decades-long local educational associations, I've seen few conservatives who had chosen education as a career.

Why?

Being an educator doesn't pay well enough....
It doesnt? I love the poor underpaid school teacher. What a crock of shit it truly is.

$56,310
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Now tell me this. How much would you pay someone who has every weekend, holiday off? Throw in a fall break, a spring break, Christmas break and about 2.5 months off in the summer. Yeah the poor underpaid school teacher indeed.
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Who doesn't have weekends and holidays off? (except Walmart employees?)

Who doesn't get a vacation? (the week at Christmas and the Spring week break)

Teachers don't "get" 2.5 months "off" in the summer. They are put out of work. They are seasonal workers. They DO NOT GET PAID for the summer months. Which is why most teachers - especially young ones with families - have summer jobs or teach summer school. Could your family survive easily with 1/6 of your year's income taken away?

Get so sick of people talking about teachers' pay ... it's CRAP ... and it is one of the few crap paying jobs that requires (in most states) graduate degrees and continuing education (expenses!).

$56k is now considered a great job income??? WHERE??? Certainly not here in CT. And not in NY state - I loved my high school school teaching job - but I had to quit and get a job at a university where the pay was better.
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