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Old September 10th, 2016, 08:16 AM   #81
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Another thing that factors into this, IMO is that till recently especially in the Americas, society and the economy had a very large agrarian component. And it was family farms.

Neither capitalism or socialism applies to that situation.
What happened to the family farms?
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Old September 10th, 2016, 08:44 AM   #82
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What position, you clown? Socialism is obviously better than capitalism because it gives working people their lives and their countries back and puts you thieving scoundrels and liars in educational establishments where you can learn what humanity is like. No socialist is lord of anything, you capitalist clown - socialism is democracy. The only arguments for capitalism are the arguments for living in caves - it makes better things possible. I don't think you can possibly be human since you keep quacking like a duck. I imagine since you are an extreme-right yank nutter you equate socialism with the capitalist state. Read some history and sober up! Tell me please what you 'think' socialism to be.
Why don't you try running that crap by the small business owners who make up 70% of the business done in this country. Socialism has been tried and it failed miserably. What has Obimbo's socialist ideology given us? We now have the highest small business failures ever recorded. Why don't you read some history!
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Why don't you try running that crap by the small business owners who make up 70% of the business done in this country. Socialism has been tried and it failed miserably. What has Obimbo's socialist ideology given us? We now have the highest small business failures ever recorded. Why don't you read some history!
Where has that happened? You mean your storm-troopers murder people, Goebbels? What sort of nuthouse are you kept in that you suppose the current American system is SOCIALISM? You are out of your very tiny mind, nutter.
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Don't be more totally silly than the Devil made you, Coke. Obviously, your murderers get to work whenever working people attempt to establish democratic socialism (Paris 1871, Russia 1917, Bavaria 1919, Hungary 1919-20m etcetera). Your beloved Nazi party had to say it was socialist because everyone in Germany at the time would have pissed on anyone who tried to defend your crazy system, as you know, but if you think the likes of Krupp support democratic control by the people from whom they steal everything, you are madder than Trump. You can't steal property from thieves, clown - you just take it back from the capitalist scum. Your childish wafflings about State Capitalism just reveal that you have the mental processes of a brainwashed mentally-deficient five-year-old, but we knew that already.

Given your propensity to murder all democratic forces and that of your masters to reduce the working people to starving slaves, the tactics to be used to circumvent their sick hopes are an interesting question, but the great majority put their hopes in gaining democratic control of the capitalist State and handing control to those who do the work. Even under your loony system there are already examples of businesses run like this, as you know, but there is a constant danger of their being stolen by the thieves, so some believe in more violent methods. For myself, I think that scum like your masters are not worth demeaning ourselves to bring them to justice, and am prepared to wait until your mad system collapses totally rather than partially, as it does so often. Until then, rant on. It is like global warming - part of the inevitable sickness of capitalism.
So you are living in delusion of Socialism. Red October was an attempt at Democratic Socialism is hilarious to say the least. The notion of Democratic Socialism was not even around during the day of Marx. The entire movement was predicated on jealousy because somebody had something that someone else did not. The whole Democratic Socialism is just a touchy feel good idea to get the same result.

Were going to have a Democratic controlled economy. But how do we do that? Oh, that is easy, the workers get to vote on what businesses do. But dont we have to steal the businesses from the owners first? Why no, because they did not build that therefore its not stealing. What do you mean they did not build that? Well, all of us contributed to the building of roads and public services that allowed these businesses to flourish. Oh, well how did we contribute to that? Well from paying taxes was a big part of it. Oh, but doesn't the tax we pay come from the earnings we make that is paid to us from the businesses that you want to steal? No, that is not what I mean, I mean well you know reasons an stuff.
That sums up Democratic Socialism ideology.
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Where has that happened? You mean your storm-troopers murder people, Goebbels? What sort of nuthouse are you kept in that you suppose the current American system is SOCIALISM? You are out of your very tiny mind, nutter.
It is rather obvious that your just capable of insults and making nazi comparisons. Your not really smart enough to make a argument. It is so bad that again, the great IT has to run in and attempt to clean up to argue the case of Socialism for you retards.
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So you are living in delusion of Socialism. Red October was an attempt at Democratic Socialism is hilarious to say the least. The notion of Democratic Socialism was not even around during the day of Marx. The entire movement was predicated on jealousy because somebody had something that someone else did not. The whole Democratic Socialism is just a touchy feel good idea to get the same result.

Were going to have a Democratic controlled economy. But how do we do that? Oh, that is easy, the workers get to vote on what businesses do. But dont we have to steal the businesses from the owners first? Why no, because they did not build that therefore its not stealing. What do you mean they did not build that? Well, all of us contributed to the building of roads and public services that allowed these businesses to flourish. Oh, well how did we contribute to that? Well from paying taxes was a big part of it. Oh, but doesn't the tax we pay come from the earnings we make that is paid to us from the businesses that you want to steal? No, that is not what I mean, I mean well you know reasons an stuff.
That sums up Democratic Socialism ideology.
You really are brainwashed, aren't you, clown? All socialists in the days of Marx believed in democracy, as they still do. As you know, eighteen capitalist armies attacked Russia after the Revolution (which happened in a time when vast numbers were being killed to get control of the world for their particular capitalism). The Russian working class, tiny even at the beginning, disappeared as those who weren't in the armies went back to the villages, leaving the Bolsheviks either to establish a dictatorship or be killed by the murderous cruds who were attacking them. You, of course, would have folded your holy hands, died and gone to capitalist heaven (some might even believe it) but they survived and set up State capitalism, as you know. You ignore the vast European (and even American) Socialist movements naturally, since you are not into truth as McCarthyites never were.

A democratic economy is one in which the workers control industry and provide needed goods by democratic decision. Anything else is just a way-stage or capitalism, so stop talking bullshit - it is unbelievably tedious to have to endure this propagandist bilge for the millionth time.
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It is rather obvious that your just capable of insults and making nazi comparisons. Your not really smart enough to make a argument. It is so bad that again, the great IT has to run in and attempt to clean up to argue the case of Socialism for you retards.
Oh God, do sober up. You drunks are a total pain in the arse.
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You really are brainwashed, aren't you, clown? All socialists in the days of Marx believed in democracy, as they still do. As you know, eighteen capitalist armies attacked Russia after the Revolution (which happened in a time when vast numbers were being killed to get control of the world for their particular capitalism). The Russian working class, tiny even at the beginning, disappeared as those who weren't in the armies went back to the villages, leaving the Bolsheviks either to establish a dictatorship or be killed by the murderous cruds who were attacking them. You, of course, would have folded your holy hands, died and gone to capitalist heaven (some might even believe it) but they survived and set up State capitalism, as you know. You ignore the vast European (and even American) Socialist movements naturally, since you are not into truth as McCarthyites never were.

A democratic economy is one in which the workers control industry and provide needed goods by democratic decision. Anything else is just a way-stage or capitalism, so stop talking bullshit - it is unbelievably tedious to have to endure this propagandist bilge for the millionth time.
Your socialism ideology is so grand that you have to steal a business. It requires you to force people to participate by using people with guns. It is such a natural thing that you have to increase tax to steal peoples money to get to your "natural" state. Furthermore, you have yet to answer some simple questions
After your comrades steal the businesses what happens to all the pensions and 401k plans that depends on that dirty capitalism? Do we steal that to? Does the government seize them and divvy them up according to need? That is some easy questions a fine and intelligent socialist like your self should be able to answer with some straight forward answers I am sure.
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Oh God, do sober up. You drunks are a total pain in the arse.
If I was slobbering drunk, shot up on heroin and smoking a joint my intellect at that time, in my big toe, would still be leaps and bounds above whatever cognitive skills you think you have.
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Your socialism ideology is so grand that you have to steal a business. It requires you to force people to participate by using people with guns. It is such a natural thing that you have to increase tax to steal peoples money to get to your "natural" state. Furthermore, you have yet to answer some simple questions
After your comrades steal the businesses what happens to all the pensions and 401k plans that depends on that dirty capitalism? Do we steal that to? Does the government seize them and divvy them up according to need? That is some easy questions a fine and intelligent socialist like your self should be able to answer with some straight forward answers I am sure.
As I've told you several times, child, youcannot steal from thieves - you just take what is yours back. You don't force people to live under capitalism, Hitler? Pull the other one! You don't have to tax anyone for anything when you've got rid of money, you illiterate clown.
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