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Old April 19th, 2016, 09:26 AM   #11
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Ohio is a right to work to work state so we have a lot in common.
My first job off the farm was at Coca Cola in Akron. They actually bottled back then. When I filled out my employment papers, all the boxes to check having to do with the union were already checked before the photocopies had been made. Yes, I know it was a union optional shop, in theory but that wasn't the reality.
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Old April 19th, 2016, 09:44 AM   #12
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My first job off the farm was at Coca Cola in Akron. They actually bottled back then. When I filled out my employment papers, all the boxes to check having to do with the union were already checked before the photocopies had been made. Yes, I know it was a union optional shop, in theory but that wasn't the reality.
My first real paying job was caring for hogs when 16 and made more than minimum wage.
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Old April 19th, 2016, 11:01 AM   #13
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My first real paying job was caring for hogs when 16 and made more than minimum wage.
I had many jobs prior to turning 16 when I went to work for Coke. They were almost all on the farm which really doesn't count because it was more like indentured servitude than a job. Even though I did make good money mucking out other people's stalls, exercising their horses, or transporting them.
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Old April 19th, 2016, 11:31 AM   #14
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Ohio is a right to work to work state so we have a lot in common.


Arizona is also a right to work state.
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Old April 19th, 2016, 11:43 AM   #15
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Arizona is also a right to work state.
In a nutshell, a right to work State means the Union cannot force you to be a member of the union to work to put it simple and concise terms.
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As a former teacher, I'm always delighted to hear about outstanding schools and educators. We are in Arizona and I wish I could say that our public schools are thriving. Unfortunately that's not the case. Most of our schools are struggling. Educators are leaving the profession in droves. The majority of our AZ children have no hope of competing in the global job market. It's quite sad.
There are two government reasons that the public school system fail: school boards and the federal government.

School boards rival the Cosa Nostra in the organized crime and corruption arena. Show me one-hundred school board members today and I will show you ninty-five school board members who should be serving five-to-ten in a state penitentiary.

The three branches of the federal government uses threats and intimidation to coerce states and school districts to put every conceivable non-educational concept before actual education, which they no nothing about.

This is not new. Mark Twain summed up school boards over a century ago: "In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards."
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There are two government reasons that the public school system fail: school boards and the federal government.

School boards rival the Cosa Nostra in the organized crime and corruption arena. Show me one-hundred school board members today and I will show you ninty-five school board members who should be serving five-to-ten in a state penitentiary.

The three branches of the federal government uses threats and intimidation to coerce states and school districts to put every conceivable non-educational concept before actual education, which they no nothing about.

This is not new. Mark Twain summed up school boards over a century ago: "In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards."
Parenting begins in the home and not the classroom.
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Old April 19th, 2016, 12:30 PM   #18
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Parenting begins in the home and not the classroom.
That is very, very true. When a student fails, the parent has failed. Teachers only have the student 180 days a year for 6 -7 hours. Parents have 365 days a year. It's the teacher's job to guide the education process and to test the progress. It is the parents' job to be the primary educator.
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Old April 19th, 2016, 03:04 PM   #19
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In a nutshell, a right to work State means the Union cannot force you to be a member of the union to work to put it simple and concise terms.


You are correct. There ARE unions, but they are termed "associations" and members are not compelled to join or pay "association" dues. It's strictly voluntary, but as so often happens our young, naive teacher say "NAH"--I'm good--no need to join. When they are accused of improprieties, abuse, endangerment, etc (and eventually every teacher gets accused of something) they are quite quick to join the association.
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You are correct. There ARE unions, but they are termed "associations" and members are not compelled to join or pay "association" dues. It's strictly voluntary, but as so often happens our young, naive teacher say "NAH"--I'm good--no need to join. When they are accused of improprieties, abuse, endangerment, etc (and eventually every teacher gets accused of something) they are quite quick to join the association.
That pretty much sums up the Atlanta Public School District.
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