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Old January 10th, 2018, 09:27 PM   #141
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Insulting and disrespecting ppl by calling them names leaves you with very few friends, and that has nothing to do with how "sensitive" anyone is. Just with you being an asshole.



It doesn't matter. If one doesn't like being called that then it's on you as a human being to not call them that. Otherwise, you're just an asshole.

If you treat ppl like shit, then you shouldn't be upset when ppl treat you like shit.
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Old January 11th, 2018, 05:12 AM   #142
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I totally disagree with you on the use of retarded. It has a long history of being used as an insult, not a clinical description. I'd say from where I stand, negro is way less of an insult than retarded. But we don't use that either.

What is wrong with "special needs"? Retarded is not a one size fits all term and neither is special needs. But so what. Retarded has a lot of bad stuff firmly attached to it.
Some people can see the point of view of others and some can not. I do not use the word "retarded" with people who do not know me because I know people have a bad reaction to the word.

Some people are having a bad reaction to Sensible using the bible and the word "submissive". He has used misogynistic words in the past and the Bible certainly advances patriarchy and is misogynistic in spots. That backs him into a corner that is hard to get out of, but his arguments are not all wrong, and his character may be good. We do not know each other enough to be judging each other. But when people have a bad reaction to words, of course, those are not good words to choose.

My point is although I favor the word "retarded" because I associate it with my grandmother's generation of teachers and the good intentions before we had so many clinical words to use, I know the reaction today will be a bad one and I don't use it with people I do not know. However, why shouldn't I explain the past meaning and good intentions?

Why does the argument remain on the word, instead of the real problem of being mean-spirited?
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Old January 11th, 2018, 05:36 AM   #143
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Yes, but semantics are still a thing. Even if the word itself isn't the problem, the word is a part of the problem.

Ppl are generally assholes who don't respect ppl's feelings.
In my reality, most people are very considerate and polite. I live in apartments for older people and go to a senior center where people are very nice. In these places, people are really nice and share my values.

It is not that I am unaware of people who are not nice. I volunteer in a homeless shelter where some people are offensive, but everyone I work with is a very caring person and I don't blame the homeless folks for being offensive sometimes. They are in a bad situation and I am amazed by how nice most of them are considering their circumstances! When there is really a problem, it is because of a mental disorder or a really bad day. The rain and mud at the Occupy camp many years ago made people very unhappy and short tempered, but I would not say it is true generally people are assholes.

I would not have the confidence to say what I say if my life were not filled with really good people, and I can understand why occasionally someone isn't nice. I know our reality is as we create it and we can create a very unpleasant reality. I experience a very good reality and people who make it that way.
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Old January 11th, 2018, 05:42 AM   #144
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Clara, can't you see that it's you who refuse to see anything good or reasonable in any argument put forth by a conservative/right wing person or organization. You my dear are a political bigot.
Roastpork, this thread is not about Clara, but your post is about Clara. Address issues instead of insulting people.
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Old January 11th, 2018, 05:54 AM   #145
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Okay folks, perhaps it is time for me to go to another forum. I said some very important things about the change in public education and intentional indoctrination done by the Military Industrial Complex that took control of the school system, and destroyed the control teachers had, and the best reply is to argue the word "retarded" is offensive and that people are assholes?

If you all can not do better than this, I am gone. The level of discussion here is a waste of my time. Clara, I know you can do better, but you have chosen to argue with someone who is being disrespectful instead of addressing the issue. What would a school teacher do if the students were fighting instead of focused on the study?
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Old January 11th, 2018, 08:43 AM   #146
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I wasn't calling you an asshole, I was speaking in general.
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Old January 11th, 2018, 09:31 AM   #147
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All true. But the problem is for every 100% increase in students, there was a 250% increase in teachers, and a 700% increase in administrative staff from 1950 to 2009. Government bloat. This is one of the reasons of why funding keeps going up and our world ranking keeps going down.
Because we can't seem to break out of two dimensional thinking:

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Old January 12th, 2018, 10:15 AM   #148
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I wasn't calling you an asshole, I was speaking in general.
Is the term asshole respectful? Exactly how does that term help us understand the issue?
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Old January 12th, 2018, 11:28 AM   #149
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Because we can't seem to break out of two dimensional thinking:

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I didn't notice how old the link is but it is seriously wrong.

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Big government housing projects–filled with public housing beneficiaries, micromanaged by government employees, maintained by government custodians & superintendents and made only slightly safer by armed government security guards–were wisely eradicated and replaced by vouchers. These vouchers are redeemable with any landlord who has been strictly prequalified to participate in the housing assistance program (Section . By sacrificing the gravy train of the government overseers, custodians and architects of the housing projects, the Section 8 vouchers now give needy families a choice. The program also forces them to wade into the marketplace and shop on their own behalf. Where once they were herded, they now must participate. The result: less cost to the taxpayer, local control, and more safety, security and dignity to the beneficiary.
That may have been true in the past, but at present people with Section 8 vouchers are being priced out of housing. Also in the past, for sure government housing was more micromanaged than private housing, but that is no longer true. Now the opposite appears to be true. Private housing is just as micromanaged if not more so than public housing.

However, it is true that government bureaucracy crushes personal liberty and power and requires ever increasing tax revenues. I am not sure present-day education in grade schools is better than it was when a community may have used a church for a school and all the students were in one room and had one teacher. That teacher may have received little more than room and board.
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is the term asshole respectful? Exactly how does that term help us understand the issue?
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