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Old September 25th, 2016, 10:03 PM   #31
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Well after 35 years of the D. O. E. what has happened

Kids that stay home and have parents teach them are the better educated sector of the population.

It took the Teaching profession and turned it into baby sitters.
Crappy parents with skewed priorities played the biggest role in turning teachers into baby sitters.
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There are few if any independents anymore and only two camps to choose from but both camps hate each other's guts. What should the sane and rational person do?
I'm running for county commissioner as an independent. To be clear, I'm not suggesting running for county commissioner is a sane and rational act....
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Well, and there would be the school maintenance personnel, the bus drivers, the secretarial staff, the district superintendent, the teaching aides, and the "mainstreamed" handicapped who require 2-4 staff members to assist them.
Don't forget the Fireman who stokes the coal fired boilers and has to mow the grass with a small push mower and pick up school yard trash. Unsung Hero
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Old September 25th, 2016, 10:50 PM   #34
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the people who's kids do not utilize the public school system should get tax credits up to the cost of the cost of the students in their district.
How far can this tactic go?

If I own only a bicycle, can I get a refund on the taxes I pay for street maintenance? How about if I never go to the library?

I organized protests and raised funding to oppose the Iraq War. Can I get back the part of my federal taxes that financed the Iraq War? ... that still is ongoing, which means I'm still paying for it.

Maybe, instead of the IRS telling us what we have to pay, we have a check-off list, with estimated taxes, i.e. cost to us, where we tell the IRS what we're going to pay?

Of course, you'd have to qualify. In my case, like, my opposition to the Iraq War which would allow me to opt out of paying for it, will be easy to prove. My ads and the news stories appear in the local newspapers when they began: in Jan. 2003. I should receive interest on the taxes they've held.

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I'm running for county commissioner as an independent. To be clear, I'm not suggesting running for county commissioner is a sane and rational act....
I don't live in Colorado and not the county you live in so can't vote for you and if I did you got my vote if you take me to the top of Pike's Peak in a hot rod Corvette on a gravel road listening to Led Zep munching on fried pig skins drinking Colorado Kool Ade. Gee Haw!
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Don't forget the Fireman who stokes the coal fired boilers and has to mow the grass with a small push mower and pick up school yard trash. Unsung Hero
When I went on the school board, those folks and everyone else besides teachers and administrators had NO benefits whatsoever. Nada. When I left the board, they had benefits, not on a par with the teachers and administrators of course, but benefits like health insurance.

Several years after I left the board, those benefits were stripped away. It's a damned crime.
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When I went on the school board, those folks and everyone else besides teachers and administrators had NO benefits whatsoever. Nada. When I left the board, they had benefits, not on a par with the teachers and administrators of course, but benefits like health insurance.

Several years after I left the board, those benefits were stripped away. It's a damned crime.
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It's so childish, playing the false dichotomy blame game. Everything I listed is a factor. You've listed factors too.

The 21st-century false dichotomy blame game is at the heart of the disgust many and I think most Americans have for D vs. R politics and the people whose self-identity in large measure depends on their role in the 21st-century false dichotomy blame game.

As usual Jimmy's the expert in all things. That's interesting considering he probably hasn't stepped FOOT in a public school since he as 18.
YES, our special needs children have certified (highly qualified) teachers, but many of those children ALSO HAVE aides, who require NO special education or qualifications. Those aides are with the children every hour of the day, except for a lunch break. Talk about unsung heroes.
Teaching was so great when there were NO politics involved--when parents actually acted like the adults in the room and cared for their children. Suddenly teachers are the enemy. It's just wrong.
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It's so childish, playing the false dichotomy blame game. Everything I listed is a factor. You've listed factors too.

The 21st-century false dichotomy blame game is at the heart of the disgust many and I think most Americans have for D vs. R politics and the people whose self-identity in large measure depends on their role in the 21st-century false dichotomy blame game.
Your limited and binary political view of the world has nothing to do with taxpayer's dollars being wasted on public school administrators. there are no D v R regardless of your view that the entire world boils down to that concept. Some people are not a slave to that concept.

There is no false dichotomy and the misuse of that term is pointless.

You threw out a number that is baseless and has no statistical impact on non-teaching administrators increasing at a 7 to 2 ratio with students. That is government bloat and that is what is to be expected from government and the endless supply of tax payer's dollars.
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As usual Jimmy's the expert in all things. That's interesting considering he probably hasn't stepped FOOT in a public school since he as 18.
YES, our special needs children have certified (highly qualified) teachers, but many of those children ALSO HAVE aides, who require NO special education or qualifications. Those aides are with the children every hour of the day, except for a lunch break. Talk about unsung heroes.
Teaching was so great when there were NO politics involved--when parents actually acted like the aduls in the room and cared for their children. Suddenly teachers are the enemy. It's just wrong.
As usual the queen of vitriol strikes again.

What is more interesting is I have been involved at levels of education that you have never remotely been involved with. This is another one of your ignorant and baseless remarks.

Teaching was great when liberalism and the federal government was not involved with the education system and when teachers actually knew how to teach.
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