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Old September 24th, 2016, 09:27 AM   #1
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Indoctrination: 35 Years of the US Department of Education

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Since 1980, during the Carter Administration, America’s K-12 education system has come under increasing control by the dictates of the federal Department of Education (DOE) with failing results, taxing states and filtering the money through Washington to return a portion of it back to the states. In 2002, the Bush Administration approved the No Child Left Behind (NCL Act creating punishing amounts of federal paperwork and bureaucracy for local schools, requiring a $1B grant in special funding to help state and local education systems comply. In 2015 Congress enacted new legislation, Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA), to allegedly overcome the NCLB federal intervention. The Heritage Foundation’s Lindsey Burke says, “ESSA does not accomplish these critical policy priorities” to reduce the interference and excessive hours of standardized testing time. The 2016 DOE budget is $70.7B excluding a Presidential request for an additional $75B mandatory funding over ten years for Pre-K education.

What is America getting for federally-funded interference in education? The US spends over 23.2% of per capita income on its students each year, 9% more than Singapore while over 26 other countries that spend less outscore US students. Charles Murray says that even after substantial resources were dedicated to assist minorities over a 10 year period, SAT scores have indeed dropped for Amerindians ( -28%), Latinos (-26%), Blacks (-14%) and Whites (-6%) while substantially increasing for Asians (+54).

Of 64 countries in the International Student Assessment, the U.S. ranks 35th in math and 27th in science. Singapore spends almost half of what the U.S. spends in primary education and about 70% on secondary education while internationally scoring first in math and second in science. Ironically, while more than 1.7M students are now homeschooled, the National Center for Educational Statistics does not produce statistics on the likely difference in achievement between homeschooled students and public education students.

Students in institutional schools are measured repeatedly, however. A typical student takes 112 mandated standardized tests between pre-K classes and 12th grade; by contrast, most countries that outperform the U.S. on international exams test students three times during their entire school careers.

In spite so much testing and measuring, the standards are being manipulated to enhance the illusion of improving student performance. The modern thinking appears to be that "everyone must be a winner." A variation of this is “average is over,” a perverse twist on economist Tyler Cowen’s thesis. In K-12, only children with extremely low I.Q.’s, juvenile delinquents or truants receive average grades, and rarely do students receive D’s or F‘s.1 In most states, students with English as a second language are passed along with C grades regardless of performance. Piereson & Riley note that the Department of Education released data showing that from 1990-2000 high school graduate GPAs rose a third of a point and one public school district in northern California altered student grading so that students scoring above 80% received A’s and students below 20% were given F’s.2

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The US spends over 23.2% of per capita income on its students each year, 9% more than Singapore while over 26 other countries that spend less outscore US students.
This is a little misleading. The US spends that money on non-teaching administrators and Singapore spends it on students.

To put it in perspective. A homeschool family with two kids, which outperforms public school students, will have one parent teaching. If this family followed the public school method, in addition to the one parent teaching, there would be nine or so people performing no educational function milling around the house leeching off of the breadwinner.
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This is a little misleading. The US spends that money on non-teaching administrators and Singapore spends it on students.
that is the real issue is that the majority of the cash flow is wasted in bureaucracy and unfortunately teachers are caught in the cross fire. if they would drop their misguided alliances to the unions and the state much of that fat could be cut but they don't. therefore IMO they are as much a part of the problem as the school w/ multiple administrators bringing in six figures to push papers.
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This is a little misleading. The US spends that money on non-teaching administrators and Singapore spends it on students.

To put it in perspective. A homeschool family with two kids, which outperforms public school students, will have one parent teaching. If this family followed the public school method, in addition to the one parent teaching, there would be nine or so people performing no educational function milling around the house leeching off of the breadwinner.
Well, and there would be the school maintenance personnel, the bus drivers, the secretarial staff, the district superintendent, the teaching aides, and the "mainstreamed" handicapped who require 2-4 staff members to assist them.
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I hope you do not mind I start a very different thread about indoctrination and education. I do not know what your thread has to do with indoctrination? It is about funding and perhaps unconstitutional control of education, but what does it have to do with indoctrination?
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I hope you do not mind I start a very different thread about indoctrination and education. I do not know what your thread has to do with indoctrination? It is about funding and perhaps unconstitutional control of education, but what does it have to do with indoctrination?
It was the title of the article.

Click the link and read the rest of it if you like.

There are thousands of different ways to take the topic.
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Well, and there would be the school maintenance personnel, the bus drivers, the secretarial staff, the district superintendent, the teaching aides, and the "mainstreamed" handicapped who require 2-4 staff members to assist them.
All true. But the problem is for every 100% increase in students, there was a 250% increase in teachers, and a 700% increase in administrative staff from 1950 to 2009. Government bloat. This is one of the reasons of why funding keeps going up and our world ranking keeps going down.
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All true. But the problem is for every 100% increase in students, there was a 250% increase in teachers, and a 700% increase in administrative staff from 1950 to 2009. Government bloat. This is one of the reasons of why funding keeps going up and our world ranking keeps going down.
No, the problem begins where imbeciles began to demand that public schools should me operated as a private business. That led to talk of "performance based" pay. To determine the achieved level of performance, "standardized" testing, at the behest of government, was often implemented.

So, extra staff is required for testing and record keeping. As I've mentioned, extra staff is required for students who shit on themselves and then throw it on you. Extra staff is required for remedial assistance since no one is held back when they fail to master grade-level work.

Extra staff is required merely for disciplining little angels who were never disciplined at home because they're wonderful angels, according to their sorry parents, or were "disciplined" with child abuse.

And let's not forget the extra staff involved in the English as a second language scene.

All these factors have played roles in the increases you noted.
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Personally, I would completely privatize education and have schools compete with each other. The free market would create much better schools, at cheaper than the government schools. See how much tuition is at an average private school versus how much per pupil the government school spends per student.

The money saved from taxation for the public schools would mean that everyone would be able to afford a school for their children can go to. The schools can also kick out undesirable students who cause violence and real trouble in the school.

Graduating high school would be basically be able to pass a skills test to a satisfactory score. SAT or ACT would be sufficient.

Also, encourage trade schools. Trade schools are now seen as a place for losers who could not get into four year colleges. Well, electricians, mechanics, welders and especially plumbers make good to great money. A liberal arts degree can lead to someone working at Starbucks and eventually not using the degree they spent so much money on. Job training should begin in high school. Most "walking around" knowledge is learned by the eighth grade. Mr. Asscrack the Plumber is making $70k a year in middle America while many college graduates are asking if someone wants a cinnamon bun with their expensive coffee.
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Personally, I would completely privatize education and have schools compete with each other. The free market would create much better schools, at cheaper than the government schools. See how much tuition is at an average private school versus how much per pupil the government school spends per student.

The money saved from taxation for the public schools would mean that everyone would be able to afford a school for their children can go to. The schools can also kick out undesirable students who cause violence and real trouble in the school.

Graduating high school would be basically be able to pass a skills test to a satisfactory score. SAT or ACT would be sufficient.

Also, encourage trade schools. Trade schools are now seen as a place for losers who could not get into four year colleges. Well, electricians, mechanics, welders and especially plumbers make good to great money. A liberal arts degree can lead to someone working at Starbucks and eventually not using the degree they spent so much money on. Job training should begin in high school. Most "walking around" knowledge is learned by the eighth grade. Mr. Asscrack the Plumber is making $70k a year in middle America while many college graduates are asking if someone wants a cinnamon bun with their expensive coffee.

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