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Old September 26th, 2016, 08:34 AM   #21
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yet it is the progressives who desire "hate speech" laws.

go figure.

statists gonna state.

liberal, republican, progressive, conservative.

they have all been busy taking liberties and freedoms from the citizens. the sheeple from one camp look the other way when it fits their narrative. to busy fighting amongst each other to see that you are just pawns and your unable to see the end game.
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Old September 26th, 2016, 08:37 AM   #22
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Democracy is not a complex concept. It is a very simple concept of mob rule and its failings were studied intently by the founders and explicitly avoided in our form of government. We do not have a democracy. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are two very anti-democratic documents. A democracy would not permit a separation of powers, would not have a Senate to check the House, would not have executive veto power, and would not have a Supreme Court to check federal legislation. The most basic concept of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights prevents “rule authority” over the people. The rule of law prevents this if adhered. The rule of law is what prevents an infringement on liberty as the liberty in the Bill of Rights is a negative liberty, which prevents any type of government intervention.


I addressed nations, empires, and countries, not civilizations. Nations, empires, and countries fall because of discernable reasons. Those discernable reasons were studied by the founders. What was studied were the flaws of the Constitution of the Roman Republic, what caused the Roman Republic to transform into the Roman Empire and why that caused the fall of the Roman Empire, Cardinal de Retz, the Achean confederacy the Amphictyonic confederacy of 16th century Greece, the Helvitic confederacy of 14th to 15th century Switzerland, the Belgic confederacy of the 16th century, the Germanic confederacy, and the rise and fall of the Greek empire.

The Greek empire fell because of the same reason that this country is on the road to failure. The empire was never on solid ground and there was always divineness and resistance. After Alexander’s death, he was no longer around to keep the once sovereign countries from dividing and warring with each other. The Roman’s only conquered Greece because of this as Greece united was much more powerful than Rome. This is what gave us the concept of federalism and the sovereign states kept all the sovereignty they had prior to the ratification of the Constitution other than a few enumerated powers they ceded. The erosion of federalism is the same road that caused the fall of Greek Empire.



Our liberty is a matter of non-governmental involvement. That is what the negative liberty is in our founding documents. The rule of law is what prevents tyranny or despot. Following the rule of law is what we want to embrace. There is no point in having a written constitution if the rule of law is not followed. The liberals on this site love basing Putin, but they embrace his style of governing and have no idea that they do. Russia has a very long and detailed constitution that protects a plethora of rights. The problem is that Putin ignores the rule of law and the constitution. The federal government’s and Obama’s ignoring the constitution and the rule of law if it advances a liberal idea is applauded by the left, but that is exactly what Putin had done.



Mob rule is why we not have a democracy. The Constitution and the Bill of Right prevents mob rule. There are no protected rights under a democracy. The structure of our government makes the government subject to authority, not the other way around.
The preceding is an opinion not an objective factual statement.
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Old September 26th, 2016, 08:55 AM   #23
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If prejudice were against our nature, there would be none. Biologically we are designed to live in small groups as the apes do. It is very strong in our nature to discriminate between who is one of us and who is not. Our ability to violate this nature and live in large cities is amazing. This was achieved with religion and later with nationalism and ideas of our ethnic heritage.

All that drivel is exactly what culture is about, and why education is so important.

The original purpose of free public education in the US was to transition youth into adulthood and the following comes from a textbook. Schools did not have the same books and the education of the South was different from the education in the north and this is one reason for the Civil War. Much later a committee defined democracy for a textbook series when the US was mobilizing for war.

From grade school textbooks, the "Democracy Series" 1940, 1944,1945.
I'm afraid you are getting into 'human nature' (= original sin, actually). I think it is a very long time since we lived in small groups, and 'races' resemble hunter-gatherer families in no way, surely, so why not argue that is our nature to swing in trees? I think that what goes on in our heads reflects the interests of those who rule our society, the very rich, and that we can't alter that by act of will, though I approve highly of what you are arguing for. 'Religion' in the US seems largely under the control of the nastiest elements, alas, and to be totally divorced from what is written clearly enough in the New Testament, while theoretically democratic politics is producing trumps. It is different in some ways over here, but not in many. Brainwashing is much, much more real than 'culture', as it has to be in the last few centuries of humanity. Happy days!
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Our liberty is a matter of non-governmental involvement. That is what the negative liberty is in our founding documents. The rule of law is what prevents tyranny or despot. Following the rule of law is what we want to embrace. There is no point in having a written constitution if the rule of law is not followed. The liberals on this site love basing Putin, but they embrace his style of governing and have no idea that they do. Russia has a very long and detailed constitution that protects a plethora of rights. The problem is that Putin ignores the rule of law and the constitution. The federal government’s and Obama’s ignoring the constitution and the rule of law if it advances a liberal idea is applauded by the left, but that is exactly what Putin had done.

Mob rule is why we not have a democracy. The Constitution and the Bill of Right prevents mob rule. There are no protected rights under a democracy. The structure of our government makes the government subject to authority, not the other way around.
Those above statements are pretty damn spot on. Especially the pointing out the similarities of the liberal/Democratic/Progressive/Socialist and Putin
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The preceding is an opinion not an objective factual statement.
All posts are opinions captain obvious.
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All posts are opinions captain obvious.
No. That is not correct. Some posts relay facts.
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Old September 26th, 2016, 09:24 AM   #27
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All posts are opinions captain obvious.
False this post of yours is an opinion it's incorrect .
But it also contains fact.
Fact 1. The post is incorrect
Fact 2. It's your opinion.
Fact 3. You've not very smart.
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False this post of yours is an opinion it's incorrect .
But it also contains fact.
Fact 1. The post is incorrect
Fact 2. It's your opinion.
Fact 3. You've not very smart.
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Okay, you all pissed all over my thread. So much for hoping to have an intelligent discussion here. Have fun kids. I will check on you later and see if you have grown up.
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Okay, you all pissed all over my thread. So much for hoping to have an intelligent discussion here. Have fun kids. I will check on you later and see if you have grown up.
We have a good exchange going. Do continue.

Daws is a troll and the only purpose trolls have is to disrupt threads. This is a sanctuary for trolls. Just ignore him and keep our exchange going.
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