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Old May 3rd, 2017, 03:04 PM   #1
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Students in the nation’s only federally funded school voucher initiative performed worse on standardized tests within a year after entering D.C. private schools than peers who did not participate, according to a new federal analysis that comes as President Trump is seeking to pour billions of dollars into expanding the private school scholarships nationwide.

The study, released Thursday by the Education Department’s research division, follows several other recent studies of state-funded vouchers in Louisiana, Indiana and Ohio that suggested negative effects on student achievement. Critics are seizing on this data as they try to counter Trump’s push to direct public dollars to private schools.

Vouchers, deeply controversial among supporters of public education, are direct government subsidies parents can use as scholarships for private schools. These payments can cover all or part of the annual tuition bills, depending on the school.

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has long argued that vouchers help poor children escape from failing public schools. But Sen. Patty Murray (Wash.), the top Democrat on the Senate Education Committee, said that DeVos should heed the department’s Institute of Education Sciences. Given the new findings, Murray said, “it’s time for her to finally abandon her reckless plans to privatize public schools across the country.”

DeVos defended the D.C. program, saying it is part of an expansive school-choice market in the nation’s capital that includes a robust public charter school sector.

“When school choice policies are fully implemented, there should not be differences in achievement among the various types of schools,” she said in a statement. She added that the study found that parents “overwhelmingly support” the voucher program “and that, at the same time, these schools need to improve upon how they serve some of D.C.’s most vulnerable students.”

The D.C. program serves about 1,100 students, giving them up to $8,452 to attend a private elementary or middle school and up to $12,679 for high school. Participating private schools must be accredited by 2021 but otherwise face few requirements beyond showing that they are in good financial standing and demonstrating compliance with health and safety laws.

D.C. students who used vouchers had significantly lower math scores a year after joining the program, on average, than students who applied for a voucher through a citywide lottery but did not receive one. For voucher students in kindergarten through fifth grade, reading scores were also significantly lower. For older voucher students, there was no significant difference in reading scores.

For voucher recipients coming from a low-performing public school — the population that the voucher program primarily aims to reach — attending a private school had no effect on achievement. But for voucher recipients coming from higher-performing public schools, the negative effect was particularly large.

The analysis reviewed data for more than 1,700 students who participated in the lotteries from 2012 to 2014.
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Voucher proponents want to pretend that every student will magically be elevated by applying the voucher program.
That's a bad lie.
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“When school choice policies are fully implemented, there should not be differences in achievement among the various types of schools,” she said in a statement.

Wait wait wait wait did I see that right ?? She said "there should NOT be differences between the various types of schools" ???? WTF ?? WHY HAVE IT THEN ??? If the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT schools aren't massively out performing those "failing public schools" then why divert the money away from the schools that need it most ??? Isn't the WHOLE POINT of the voucher program to provide SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER EDUCATON for the same or less money ??
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Wait wait wait wait did I see that right ?? She said "there should NOT be differences between the various types of schools" ???? WTF ?? WHY HAVE IT THEN ??? If the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT schools aren't massively out performing those "failing public schools" then why divert the money away from the schools that need it most ??? Isn't the WHOLE POINT of the voucher program to provide SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER EDUCATON for the same or less money ??
The point is to provide choice.
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Voucher proponents want to pretend that every student will magically be elevated by applying the voucher program.
That's a bad lie.

Who is "pretending that every student will magically be elevated by applying the voucher program"?

The education system as we have it is a disaster. The voucher program will require the state schools to be fiscally responsible and create a competitive market for education. The best schools will have the most students therefore the most state money. Is that not what we all want, better schools?

I do not see how this would be a negitive.
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The point is to provide choice.
But they already have a choice. They can use their own money to attend private school or they can home school. In this case, choice simply for the sake of choice, is just a waste of resources.

The POINT or more accurately the supposed benefit of the voucher program was to give students from "failing schools" the option of attending supposedly better schools. I fthe private schools aren't out preforming their public counterparts, then there entire argument for vouchers is moot.
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But they already have a choice. They can use their own money to attend private school or they can home school. In this case, choice simply for the sake of choice, is just a waste of resources.

The POINT or more accurately the supposed benefit of the voucher program was to give students from "failing schools" the option of attending supposedly better schools. I fthe private schools aren't out preforming their public counterparts, then there entire argument for vouchers is moot.
Why shouldn't the money allocated for the child's education follow them to the school of their choice?
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But they already have a choice. They can use their own money to attend private school or they can home school. In this case, choice simply for the sake of choice, is just a waste of resources.

The POINT or more accurately the supposed benefit of the voucher program was to give students from "failing schools" the option of attending supposedly better schools. I fthe private schools aren't out preforming their public counterparts, then there entire argument for vouchers is moot.
You mentioned Home Schooling and a military recruiter on another forum said, "Try and get in the military when home schooled, it isn't going to happen."
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Why shouldn't the money allocated for the child's education follow them to the school of their choice?
How about this. I don't want MY tax dollars funding a private RELIGIOUS school ???

And if that school doesn't out perform the public system, why divert funds from the public system ?? The WHOLE POINT of the voucher program was that private schools would drastically out perform all those "failing public schools" . If they don't then we are simply allowing corporate America and churches access to the public treasury.

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Why shouldn't the money allocated for the child's education follow them to the school of their choice?
Because the money isn't allocated for a particular child.
You build a school, and operate it, just because there is one less student, it doesn't cost any less to build or operate.

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How about this. I don't want MY tax dollars funding a private RELIGIOUS school ???

And if that school doesn't out perform the public system, why divert funds from the public system ??
I know the Intelligence Bell Curve is called racist by academia but facts are facts. Some people are born stupid and some people are born smart and no amount of brow beating will change that.

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