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Old February 24th, 2018, 07:52 AM   #51
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Just like it is in most other developed countries. But then, those countries don't have the same problem with useless negroes and mexicans that we have. Despite that, I think it could still be done. After all, a high school education is free. All that needs to be done is extend that to higher education. If I thought there was a snowflakes chance in hell of my ever being to afford college, I would have done better in high school.
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SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR THE EDUCTION.. Or are all the colleges going to be staffed by VOLUNTEER PROFESSORS, DEANS, SECURITY, JANITORS, DONATED BOOKS ETC..
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What you said didn't address the problems of unavoidable education and there are several. All other modern countries have less expensive medical care, in part because their education for medical professionals is less expensive. It is not only the cost of a college education that is affected by our present high cost of education.

Besides not having enough college graduates in some fields, and excessive cost in fields like medicine, we have a social problem because we do not have equal opportunity. And perhaps the worst social problem is thinking education is only about money. Education is something we need as citizens in a democracy and education is something civilized human beings need. We most certainly should not put education beyond the reach of low-income people. Think about the harm being done by our present attitude that education is about how much we earn, and the value of a person is can be figured in dollars.
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Did I say education should be out of the price reach of many citizens, or did I/have I argue(d) for further Stafford Loan funding which would address this exact issue?
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oh great....another one who thinks 18 year olds should get a cart blanch education in basket weaving at the expense of people who worked damned hard for what they have..
Where has that ever been the norm? You prefer to invent BS scenarios to justify your cynicism and rant instead of a discussion of discovery?

And BTW, your objection to hard-working people having to pay taxes is due to either having an inadequate or barely adequate income, or greediness. And the problem of inadequate incomes wouldn't have to be a problem if we didn't have this particular style of economy. People in some of the most highly taxed nations, like Denmark, rank higher on the Satisfaction With Life index and the Quality of Life index because their taxes do an efficient job of providing services and protections that most people want.
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I got a better idea....those high school grads should be inducted into the military, where they can get a good dose of life's realities, and then they can use their GI benefits to pick an education that will suit them in their life...
Riiiiiiight. Send them off to fight and die for degenerating capitalism, or come back in pieces and with PTSD such that their life is destroyed.

I can see you have never been in the sort of situation that you recommend for others.
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Just like it is in most other developed countries. But then, those countries don't have the same problem with useless negroes and mexicans that we have. .....
(GASP!) Fortunately you and your racism are a minority. I'm just surprised you're so brazen as to publicly display it.
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Riiiiiiight. Send them off to fight and die for degenerating capitalism, or come back in pieces and with PTSD such that their life is destroyed.

I can see you have never been in the sort of situation that you recommend for others.
You have shown yourself to be quite the block head.......I do not believe draftees should be inducted into combat positions.....But, in the military, they can learn a little reality and discipline....They can perform non-combat jobs such as galley duty, fire-watchs, border watches....After a 6 to 24 mo. (whatever) active duty, then they can elect to stay in the regular military or the reserves or elect to get out and then receive GI benefits for college education.....

PTSD....pfffftttt....Usual left-wing hyperbole, instead of intelligent debate...
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Where has that ever been the norm? You prefer to invent BS scenarios to justify your cynicism and rant instead of a discussion of discovery?

And BTW, your objection to hard-working people having to pay taxes is due to either having an inadequate or barely adequate income, or greediness. And the problem of inadequate incomes wouldn't have to be a problem if we didn't have this particular style of economy. People in some of the most highly taxed nations, like Denmark, rank higher on the Satisfaction With Life index and the Quality of Life index because their taxes do an efficient job of providing services and protections that most people want.
Good....Go live in Denmark then......Or....you should serve in our military and defend OUR (Like in the USofA) Constitution, and not laws that are acceptable in Denmark...
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First rule of economics T I N S T A A F L (PRONOUNCED TINSAFFLE)

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SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR THE EDUCTION.. Or are all the colleges going to be staffed by VOLUNTEER PROFESSORS, DEANS, SECURITY, JANITORS, DONATED BOOKS ETC..
Yes, better quote. I'm used to a different version:

"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" (alternatively, "There is no such thing as a free lunch" or other variants) is a popular adage communicating the idea that it is impossible to get something for nothing. The acronyms TANSTAAFL, TINSTAAFL, and TNSTAAFL, are also used. Uses of the phrase dating back to the 1930s and 1940s have been found, but the phrase's first appearance is unknown.[1] The "free lunch" in the saying refers to the nineteenth-century practice in American bars of offering a "free lunch" in order to entice drinking customers.

"The phrase and the acronym are central to Robert Heinlein's 1966 science-fiction novel The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, which helped popularize it.[2][3] The free-market economist Milton Friedman also popularized the phrase[1] by using it as the title of a 1975 book,[4] and it is used in economics literature to describe opportunity cost.[5] Campbell McConnell writes that the idea is "at the core of economics".[6]"

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_...s_a_free_lunch

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

I first saw this in Heinlein's work, as I recall.
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Did I say education should be out of the price reach of many citizens, or did I/have I argue(d) for further Stafford Loan funding which would address this exact issue?
How about every large community having specialized high schools, such as a high school focused on the medical profession, so upon graduation, students are well prepared for entry-level jobs, and then the work environment allowed for advancement, in on the job education programs.

Some places helped people become nurses by giving them the paid employment and also paying for their education.

I worked my way through college but so many people qualify for work experience jobs today, there simply are not enough jobs. However, I think we could improve upon that. It is a matter of realizing what can be done and intentionally organizing for that. However, there is a drawback. In my community, I see college students working for the practicums for free or very little pay, and then there are no jobs for them when they graduate because they are replaced by the next batch of college students.

If we had the democratic model for business/industry everyone would learn on the job and be in line for advancement.

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Yes, better quote. I'm used to a different version:

"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" (alternatively, "There is no such thing as a free lunch" or other variants) is a popular adage communicating the idea that it is impossible to get something for nothing. The acronyms TANSTAAFL, TINSTAAFL, and TNSTAAFL, are also used. Uses of the phrase dating back to the 1930s and 1940s have been found, but the phrase's first appearance is unknown.[1] The "free lunch" in the saying refers to the nineteenth-century practice in American bars of offering a "free lunch" in order to entice drinking customers.

"The phrase and the acronym are central to Robert Heinlein's 1966 science-fiction novel The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, which helped popularize it.[2][3] The free-market economist Milton Friedman also popularized the phrase[1] by using it as the title of a 1975 book,[4] and it is used in economics literature to describe opportunity cost.[5] Campbell McConnell writes that the idea is "at the core of economics".[6]"

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_...s_a_free_lunch

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

I first saw this in Heinlein's work, as I recall.
Is anyone here a citizen of a European country? Somehow European countries manage to provide education for their citizens without putting the students in debt as students in the US are put in debt. Arguing this cannot be done when it is clearer done, doesn't make sense?
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