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Old December 31st, 2017, 03:23 PM   #11
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It depends on the school district.
Interesting, then we have a lot to talk about. Can you provide an example of a Public k-12 school (or even Private school for that matter) which you feel does at least a 7.5/10 job or higher? Also, please indicate why you think this is the case (preferably with at least one topic example)
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Interesting, then we have a lot to talk about. Can you provide an example of a Public k-12 school (or even Private school for that matter) which you feel does at least a 7.5/10 job or higher? Also, please indicate why you think this is the case (preferably with at least one topic example)
So in your opinion there are no schools anywhere in the country that have adequate teaching standards? They're all failures?
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Why do you think these type of rituals are necessary or even useful though (Note: I'm basing my question around my reading of your OP)?
I believe the rituals around the school day came about as a result of good people doing the best they could, with the resources available, to educate the children of the district.
I don't think it's a propaganda mill designed to indoctrinate young people with leftist dogma.
I attended public school and parochial school and differences were very minor.
We didn't have a crucifix in every class in public school, and the morning prayer in Parochial school was the real Lords Prayer, not the Protestant version.
And we got more holidays in parochial school.
But the curriculum was about the same, except for religion class (where I learned God was not real).
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I believe the rituals around the school day came about as a result of good people doing the best they could, with the resources available, to educate the children of the district.
I don't think it's a propaganda mill designed to indoctrinate young people with leftist dogma.
I attended public school and parochial school and differences were very minor.
We didn't have a crucifix in every class in public school, and the morning prayer in Parochial school was the real Lords Prayer, not the Protestant version.
And we got more holidays in parochial school.
But the curriculum was about the same, except for religion class (where I learned God was not real).
I partially agree with everything you said. Much of this question would seem to depend upon the way one parses the word "designed". That is, is it designed with conscious intent to produce an indoctrinating result, or is it a product of the mind-spaces that the majority of adults are limited to (even though they think it is approximately the best they can do based on the info. they have, in theory at least)?

Also, it is by no means just Leftist PC culture that is vitiating the schooling system, but rather Right-Wing PC culture is at least equivalently guilty (which you began to touch upon)
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So in your opinion there are no schools anywhere in the country that have adequate teaching standards? They're all failures?
That is actually not necessarily what I stated. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the matter though, as I am gathering from your wording that you likely view Public schools being 7.5/10 or higher as commonplace(?) or at least some substantial percentage. Please correct me if I am wrong about this. If not, and this is your view, please present your case (in part or full).
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Are Public Schools Designed to be Propaganda Systems to Indoctrinate the Young?

Are Public Schools designed to be propaganda systems to indoctrinate the young or are the overwhelming majority of the Adult population (i.e. parents, teachers, principles, school administration, politicians, US Secretary of Education, ect.) really so ignorant/stupid that they do not recognize the blatant miseducation/abuse that is occurring year after year, generation after generation, ect.? Or, do you challenge the premise of the question entirely? Thoughts?

As a reference, see short video where Linguist/Commentator Noam Chomsky discusses the Public Education System: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVqMAlgAnlo
Whoo, you seriously need to clarify what you are talking about. I think nothing is more important than transmitting the culture we had before the 1958 National Defense Education Act completely replaced lower grade liberal education with education for technology for military and industrial purpose. It is possible to improve on that past education, but ending education for good moral judgment and citizenship is not my idea of improvement.
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That is actually not necessarily what I stated. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the matter though, as I am gathering from your wording that you likely view Public schools being 7.5/10 or higher as commonplace(?) or at least some substantial percentage. Please correct me if I am wrong about this. If not, and this is your view, please present your case (in part or full).
As I said, it depends on the school district. Some perform at very high standards, some not so much. But the subject of education is a discussion is both complicated and time consuming. What makes some school districts better than others? What makes some schools in those districts perform better than others? Is it the quality of the teachers? Are the students more prepared because of their standard of living? Is it participation by the parents? Is it the tools the schools have? Is it the location of the schools? Do the communities place a value on educating it's children?
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Right, schools indoctrinate, every morning in my public school, we had someone read the Lords Prayer (not the real one, the Protestant one) and then recite a the 23rd Psalm, then we would pledge allegiance to the flag, then we would sing "My Country Tis of thee" to the tune of God Save the King, by High School, instead of prayer we had a moment of silence.

I mean there's only so many ways to do school, and do it for a budget.
Ouch! I would say that is a serious problem that is harmful to democracy and is the foundation of what has gone so wrong. I know the intentions are good and beginning the day with a national ritual that fosters unity, and singing, is a very good way to get the day going, but I do not see democracy as compatible with the God of Abraham religions. The God of Abraham is not the right understanding of God for a democracy. However, logos, reason, the controlling force of the universe, made manifest is speech, is another way of thinking of God, and is important to democracy.
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As I said, it depends on the school district. Some perform at very high standards, some not so much. But the subject of education is a discussion is both complicated and time consuming. What makes some school districts better than others? What makes some schools in those districts perform better than others? Is it the quality of the teachers? Are the students more prepared because of their standard of living? Is it participation by the parents? Is it the tools the schools have? Is it the location of the schools? Do the communities place a value on educating it's children?
Your questions are not about having good moral judgment and maturing as a fully enfranchized citizen of a democracy.

Public education is like a genii in a bottle. The defined purpose is the wish and the students are the genii. What is the best wish?
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Here's the really disturbing part of this discussion and the detractors. Everybody's an "EXPERT" on public schools--on our education system--even though the majority haven't stepped FOOT in a public school/charter school/private school in decades. These same critics do not have a degree in education or any kind of pedagogy. All sorts of claims are made about what's being taught and what's NOT being taught--most of which are completely bogus.
There are successes and failures in every public school system. There are truly GREAT teachers and dreadful teachers in every school system. There are amazing administrators/school boards AND horrific administrators in every school system because those who teach and administrate are PEOPLE with obvious flaws.
Is memorization required? Of course. Are students tested on this memorization? Definitely. But propaganda? The promotion of political causes or points of view?? NO.

AND BTW, students ARE required to THINK, to debate, to create, to question, to problem solve. They are challenged every day...because part of the education process is to prepare them for LIFE after school--to be productive members of our society.
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