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Old January 23rd, 2018, 10:23 AM   #21
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I am a born again devout Christian. My faith is a private issue, and I don't agree that religion, any religion, should be taught in school.
All we can do is live by example, shine a light for others to follow. Forcing anyone into something is never the answer.
No it isn't a Private issue, Matthew 28:19
Matthew 28:19-20New King James Version (NKJV)

19 Go therefore[a] and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.[b]

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Old January 23rd, 2018, 10:28 AM   #22
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Scientific Theory?

Yes, a scientific theory is established enough to be taught as fact in school.
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Old January 23rd, 2018, 10:31 AM   #23
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Now you’re talking. Kids should learn this stuff.
Yah. In general, I think everyone should learn a second language, & possibly more, if they have the talent for it.

On Biblical scholarship, & the cultures & languages & theology of the times, & the analytic theology & philosophies that have grown out of the times, people & documents - scholars have spent lifetimes learning the languages & cultures, studying the art, documents, carvings, & on & on. Some of them had nervous breakdowns, some were martyred - it's difficult material, & you basically have to get your head around concepts & cultures that disappeared from Western Civilization millennia ago - or evolved into different cultures in the here & now.

I think our kids should study the gist of the story of the Bible, enough to protect them against facile panaceas about the Bible. In the US, more to the point would be a discussion & history of the various branches of Protestants & Roman Catholicism, brief discussions on Judaism & Islam. Maybe other religious traditions of regional importance.
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No it isn't a Private issue, Matthew 28:19
Matthew 28:19-20New King James Version (NKJV)

19 Go therefore[a] and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.[b]

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I stand by what I said. You can make disciples by living a good example. You wait until the Lord opens hearts. You can't force anyone to believe anything.
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Old January 23rd, 2018, 10:36 AM   #25
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The institute for Creation Research is not a scientific organization. They do not present scientific theories.
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Old January 23rd, 2018, 10:49 AM   #26
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Nothing wrong with teaching about the bible. But it should include the Koran, the tenets of Hinduism plus most other major religions.

Feeding christian propaganda, or Islamic propaganda or any other religious propaganda only is just plain wrong though.


You are correct. Public schools are NOT "religion-free zones". They are not "Bible-free zones". They are not "PRAYER-free zones". Anyone who starts blabbing about prayer in school--or PUT GOD back in our schools is uninformed or believing RW claptrap.

Students may pray, read the Bible, speak about the Bible, lead private discussions about their religion. TEACHERS and/or administrators MAY NOT teach/preach/lead religious activities.
Teachers and school administrators, when acting in those capacities, are representatives of the state, and, in those capacities, are themselves prohibited from encouraging or soliciting student religious or anti-religious activity. Similarly, when acting in their official capacities, teachers may not engage in religious activities with their students. However, teachers may engage in private religious activity in faculty lounges.

The history of various religions MAY BE taught. Examples from various religious books CAN be used. Religious MUSIC may be taught, as long as ONE particular religion is not singled out as public school instruction.

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Old January 23rd, 2018, 10:50 AM   #27
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Yah, we've seen this outfit before. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ...earch_Ministry

"Beliefs[edit]

"CARM is a five-point-Calvinist entity, maintaining itself as a conservative Christian ministry. Its stated aim is to promote and defend Calvinism doctrines and to persuade people to leave and avoid non-Calvinistic points of view, and ultimately to worship Jesus Christ.

"The organization's statement of faith[10] also lays out a number of affirmations widely accepted by non-Calvinistic Christians, such as Biblical infallibility, Christian monotheism, trinitarianism, and the deity of Christ. The organization's founder and president, Matt Slick, describes his beliefs in similar terms, adding that he although he is a five-point Calvinist, he is ecumenical about Christianity.[11]"

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"University of Waterloo religious studies assistant professor Douglas E. Cowan states, "Like the Countercult in print, the Countercult on the Net is a carefully managed presentation of selected truths, half-truths, spun truths, and untruths. Its library is designed not to inform the visitor about the group in question, but to confirm for the visitor why that group is heterodox, why it should be avoided, and why conservative Christianity is the only viable option in place of it. As well, again like the Countercult in print, the Countercult on the Net is intended as an 'equipping force' to supply Christians with apologetic resources for their own encounters with NRM members. Rather than a public library, it is rather like those few shelves of a conservative seminary library that are devoted to 'Cults and Other World Religions.' The difference, of course, is that this library is open to the public."[12] He cites CARM as an "example of the library function-and its inherent problems" with the questionable accuracy of information presented about new religious movements on the Internet.[12] Cowan comments that CARM "cleaves fairly close to the Countercult party line" and expresses a concern that "unless one looks specifically for Slick's personal information, CARM's web presentation could easily deceive a visitor into thinking it is a multi-staff, professional research organization."[12] Slick issued a written response to Cowan's article.[13] In his book Bearing false witness? An introduction to the Christian countercult, Cowan says that "Slick's choice of cultic and sectarian movements is interesting", commenting that it is rare to see Christadelphianism described as a major cult, or to see such different movements as Eckankar and Christian Identity listed adjacent to each other.[3]

"In his 2007 book Teaching New Religious Movements, Virginia Commonwealth University sociology and religious studies professor David G. Bromley describes the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry as a "countermovement site" and representative of "the evangelical Christian counter-cult".[14] Bromley notes, "though the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (www.carm.org) is a very impressive counter-cult Web site, it is by and large the sole project of one man with a Master of Divinity degree. This is not to say, of course, that nothing on the site is credible or useful, merely that it ought not to be confused with information offered by those more academically prepared for the task of discussing new religious movements."[14] In her book Voices of Diversity: Multi-Culturalism in America, Mary C. Sengstock, a sociologist from Wayne State University, describes the CARM website as one of those continuing a tradition of religious prejudice, because it puts forward the view that Roman Catholics are not Christians.[15] Sengstock cites Slick's essay "Are Roman Catholics Christian?"[15][16]"

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

It's one guy - & subject to his oracular pronouncements @ that. No thanks.
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This thread is not about teaching Christianity, it’s about being honest about history, culture, and language.


Baloney. You posed the question: What if there was a book? What if that book was not included in any curriculum of public education?

Are you saying that you were NOT referring to the Bible? IF not, what book are you referring to?
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Old January 23rd, 2018, 11:50 AM   #29
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I stand by what I said. You can make disciples by living a good example. You wait until the Lord opens hearts. You can't force anyone to believe anything.
When people ask why I am happy, I tell them.
A good example is great,but Jesus clearly tells us to witness to others. I am glad you live a life where people ask you, and you tell them. Agreed that you can't force anything on anyone. The Bible does say to be ready to give a defense for what it is you believe in..
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Old January 23rd, 2018, 11:54 AM   #30
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Baloney. You posed the question: What if there was a book? What if that book was not included in any curriculum of public education?

Are you saying that you were NOT referring to the Bible? IF not, what book are you referring to?
So you agree, no other book has had more effect on human history than the Bible.
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