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Old January 23rd, 2018, 01:58 PM   #41
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Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica by Newton
On The Origin of Species by Darwin
Common Sense by Paine
The Wealth of Nations by Smith

These 4 are far more important than the Bible in influence on history
Those are influential books. Hmmm

How many buildings dedicated to them are there?

How many wars fought over those books ?

How many languages were constructed just so people could read those books?

How often do quotes of those books become idioms?

How many books did Newton write on the Bible compared to books on physics?
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What if there was one book that influenced history, language and culture more than any other?

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Yah, a couple of caveats.

1. The Bible isn't a single book, it was written over 800 (? - claims vary) years, compiled from various scrolls, sources, languages, cultures - from Judaic texts, theology, culture, added to & codified by Christianity @ 400CE.

2. If we're talking about Western Civilization - then, yes, it's probably the Bible(s) - in various editions & canons, with varying sources, languages & so on. Its influence is due to its being a distillation of Jewish & Christian theology & history. A Bible was often the only printed book in a home, with family histories inscribed within it. & Judaism & Christianity have been very influential in the West, which rose phenomenally in the World.
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Those are influential books. Hmmm

How many buildings dedicated to them are there?

How many wars fought over those books ?

How many languages were constructed just so people could read those books?

How often do quotes of those books become idioms?

How many books did Newton write on the Bible compared to books on physics?
How many buildings?

For Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica Iíd say in the neighborhood of 10,000 in the US.

How many churches have contributed to landing men on the moon?
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Old January 23rd, 2018, 02:30 PM   #44
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How many buildings?

For Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica Iíd say in the neighborhood of 10,000 in the US.

How many churches have contributed to landing men on the moon?
10,000? Are you talking about museums , libraries, universities?

Still outnumbered by churches.

Landing on the moon? I could site some quotes from the guys who went there. Anyway, landing on the moon is one moment in history, and really hasnít effected that many people that much.
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Astronauts read from the Bible

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/history/.../apollo_8.html
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So in ancient Rome, we would recognize a republic, governed by law, and not a speck of it influenced by the Bible.
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So in ancient Rome, we would recognize a republic, governed by law, and not a speck of it influenced by the Bible.
Well they were, for a while. Then it became a dictatorship. Then Bible believers took over.
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You are correct. Public schools are NOT "religion-free zones". They are not "Bible-free zones". They are not "PRAYER-free zones". Anyone who starts blabbing about prayer in school--or PUT GOD back in our schools is uninformed or believing RW claptrap.

Students may pray, read the Bible, speak about the Bible, lead private discussions about their religion. TEACHERS and/or administrators MAY NOT teach/preach/lead religious activities.
Teachers and school administrators, when acting in those capacities, are representatives of the state, and, in those capacities, are themselves prohibited from encouraging or soliciting student religious or anti-religious activity. Similarly, when acting in their official capacities, teachers may not engage in religious activities with their students. However, teachers may engage in private religious activity in faculty lounges.

The history of various religions MAY BE taught. Examples from various religious books CAN be used. Religious MUSIC may be taught, as long as ONE particular religion is not singled out as public school instruction.

https://www.aclu.org/other/joint-sta...public-schools
You falsely assume that only people on the right are religious.
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10,000? Are you talking about museums , libraries, universities?

Still outnumbered by churches.

Landing on the moon? I could site some quotes from the guys who went there. Anyway, landing on the moon is one moment in history, and really hasnít effected that many people that much.
Landing on the moon hasnít effected that many people?

Really?

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/f...n_ApolloFS.pdf
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You falsely assume that only people on the right are religious.
That was certainly the line that Jerry Falwell was pushing, right up until he had to fold the Moral Majority for lack of interest & sheer repugnance. & Ralph Reed, who's now joined some white-shoe lobbying outfit, as I recall. (I could be wrong, I've lost track of those boys.) & there were many lesser sheep, bleating the same message.

The social & religious conservatives in the US political game always knew they were apt to wind up with the short end of the shtick, they just didn't realize how short the shtick truly was. Pres. Reagan publicly sympathized with the Religious Right, but didn't much budge in terms of policy. The first Pres. Bush made token obeisances, Pres. W was the real deal, one o' the guys, & said he'd repented & been born agin - by the intercession o' Billy Graham hisself, no less, @ the Bush compound up to Maine, I believe it was. Showing that God can manifest Himself in the least likely places, I suppose.

With Trump, I believe the religious conservative right has shot their bolt - or more appropriately (my opinion, of course) dropped forever into the Slough of Despond - there to meditate upon the appropriateness of desiring political power for the next few dozen presidential cycles, if there's any justice in the World (but I've heard it whispered that there isn't - so the game may yet be afoot).
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