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Old April 5th, 2018, 05:43 AM   #61
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Old April 5th, 2018, 07:30 AM   #62
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It must be earned. On average, teachers work for three or more years without tenure. During that time they are evaluated annually, and at any time they may be fired.

Even after they are tenured they can be fired for "just cause." I've seen it happen.

The other side of tenure:
Supporters of tenure argue that tenure is necessary in making education systems successful. Tenure protects teachers and allows them to participate in unfavorable activities. For example, teachers are able to fail poorly performing students regardless of how influential they are to the school. Supporters also assert it protects teachers' freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is especially important when teachers write articles on issues which their administrators may not be in favor of.

Those in favor of keeping tenure also argue that teachers are fired easily when they commit serious crimes or are ineffective. Supporters of the tenure system say tenure is not keeping teachers who would commit such crimes in the system. In some states, schools are required to pay more to teachers who have earned higher degrees, and tenure allows teachers to secure a job, go back to school, and return to their jobs, not fearing dismissal because of their higher pay grade. Supporters liken tenure to the concept of seniority in other jobs. Teachers are often forced into uncomfortable situations (such as failing students, choosing certain students). An employee who makes decisions of a difficult and confrontational nature would thus require job protection.

Many who are against the motion of reforming/eliminating tenure argue that tenure allows teaching to become a profession rather than just a job. Presumably, teachers would not have as much job stability and would be forced to transfer from school to school. Giving teachers permanent positions would allow them to form bonds and relationships with students, parents, and other faculty
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Earned? Well, good point on you. Of course the next 20 something years is hey I have tenure. Just show up, try not to fuck any of my students.

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Old April 5th, 2018, 07:34 AM   #63
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TN Schools year is 180 hours.. Teachers teach for 7 hours / day which incluces 1 hour free time (lunch and break.).. Teachers can teach at night or during summer and they receive Extra Compensation.

Average Teaching Salary in Tennessee | TeachingDegree.org


You mean 180 days? When you say "teachers TEACH for 7 hours" are you referring to the eye-ball-to-eye ball time? But that does not include prepping BEFORE school/after school, which would add a minimum of 2 hours and does not include tutoring, PT meetings, and required evening events?
Add all that together. Add up required classes for state certification...evenings, weekends and summers.
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Old April 5th, 2018, 07:35 AM   #64
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Earned? Well, good point on you. Of course the next 20 something years is hey I have tenure. Just show up, try not to fuck any of my students.



I have never taught in a public school district that offered tenure-- unless you are talking about colleges/universities. Is that the "TENURE" you're talking about?
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Not trying to hijack this thread, but just thought I'd throw this out there since we are debating salaries.

Congress: Works approximately 130 days per year. (Congress is in session.)

Salary: $174,000 which does not include free airport parking, free on-site gym for House members, healthcare plan and pension, travel paid for by taxpayers, death benefits, and a $900,000 annual allowance for a staff and office expenses.

Is congress doing a great job? 15% approval rate. But hey--let's talk about teachers.
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I have never taught in a public school district that offered tenure-- unless you are talking about colleges/universities. Is that the "TENURE" you're talking about?
Shame on you then. You apparently missed out.
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Not trying to hijack this thread, but just thought I'd throw this out there since we are debating salaries.

Congress: Works approximately 130 days per year. (Congress is in session.)

Salary: $174,000 which does not include free airport parking, free on-site gym for House members, healthcare plan and pension, travel paid for by taxpayers, death benefits, and a $900,000 annual allowance for a staff and office expenses.

Is congress doing a great job? 15% approval rate. But hey--let's talk about teachers.
Yes, since that is the thread. If you would rather start another thread on a different subject then go ahead
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You mean 180 days? When you say "teachers TEACH for 7 hours" are you referring to the eye-ball-to-eye ball time? But that does not include prepping BEFORE school/after school, which would add a minimum of 2 hours and does not include tutoring, PT meetings, and required evening events?
Add all that together. Add up required classes for state certification...evenings, weekends and summers.
Sic 'em Clara! Teachers also do private tutoring and get paid extra by the school board. My dad and mom were members of the NEA.
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Old April 5th, 2018, 11:14 AM   #69
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Shame on you then. You apparently missed out.
Cute. You manage to completely ignore how her post showed how completely clueless you are concerning the subject.
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Earned? Well, good point on you. Of course the next 20 something years is hey I have tenure. Just show up, try not to fuck any of my students.

Only if you are a male. It's ok if you are a crazy chick and you "fall in love"
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