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Old November 26th, 2009, 10:17 AM   #1
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Curbing global warming saves lives, studies say

WASHINGTON ó Cutting global warming pollution would not only make the planet healthier, it would make people healthier too, new research suggests.



Slashing carbon dioxide emissions could save millions of lives, mostly by reducing preventable deaths from heart and lung diseases, according to studies released Wednesday and published in a special issue of The Lancet British medical journal.



Global and U.S. health officials unveiled the results as they pushed for health issues to take a more prominent role at upcoming climate change negotiations in Copenhagen. Also on Wednesday, President Barack Obama announced that he would go to Copenhagen at the start of international climate talks. U.S. health officials said the timing was not planned.


The Associated Press: Curbing global warming saves lives, studies say



(SolveClimate) Three leading scientists who on Tuesday released a report documenting the accelerating pace of climate change said the scandal that erupted last week over hacked emails from climate scientists is nothing more than a "smear campaign" aimed at sabotaging December climate talks in Copenhagen.



"We're facing an effort by special interests who are trying to confuse the public," said Richard Somerville, Distinguished Professor Emeritus at Scripps Institution of Oceanography and a lead author of the UN IPCC Fourth Assessment Report.



Dissenters see action to slow global warming as "a threat," he said.


Hacked climate emails called a smear campaign | Reuters



The Associated Press: China vows to dramatically slow emissions growth



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But keeping more people alive will eventually lead to more deaths from overcrowding, lack of resources, crime, etc. According to common sense. So it kinda balances itself out.
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The link didn't say what it was. Pointless.



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Solar Power - Technologies that harness the energy of the sun
Solar energy isn't without it's own environmental costs. Not to mention the land it uses.

Solar Energy Firms Leave Waste Behind in China - washingtonpost.com

More widespread manufacture could lead to more toxic pollution problems. You gets nothing for free.



As if "Bush" made that up.
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.--- Arthur Schopenhauer German philosopher (1788 - 1860)
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.--- Arthur Schopenhauer German philosopher (1788 - 1860)
There appears to have been many interpretations of "truth" and many quotations about it.

Truth Quotes | Truth Quotations | Truth Sayings | Wisdom Quotes



One concept that seems to be the "truth" in regards to one subject, may be the downfall of something else.



The healthcare debate and medical technology are a couple subjects that come to mind.
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But keeping more people alive will eventually lead to more deaths from overcrowding, lack of resources, crime, etc. According to common sense. So it kinda balances itself out.


So I see you agree that abortion is a good thing, less people to help curb overcrowding, use of resourses, crime, etc!
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So I see you agree that abortion is a good thing, less people to help curb overcrowding, use of resourses, crime, etc!
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Glad to see you making use of your keyboard for a change.

Those are good reasons to support abortion. They also support sterilizing the women who get them. Since often times it would prevent multiple abortions. In fact that would also support sterilization of single women who have kids since they too often repeat that mistake. I mean if we are gonna nip population in the bud lets go all out. Or we could concentrate on not getting pregnant in the first place. Now that's one truth that would solve a helluva lot of problems. And save a helluva lot of lives too.
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So I see you agree that abortion is a good thing, less people to help curb overcrowding, use of resourses, crime, etc!
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Glad to see you making use of your keyboard for a change.

Those are good reasons to support abortion. They also support sterilizing the women who get them. Since often times it would prevent multiple abortions. In fact that would also support sterilization of single women who have kids since they too often repeat that mistake. I mean if we are gonna nip population in the bud lets go all out. Or we could concentrate on not getting pregnant in the first place. Now that's one truth that would solve a helluva lot of problems. And save a helluva lot of lives too.


Muslim men have no respect for Women either!



Why not just...



Deuteronomy. Preceding number represents Chapter.




Stoning to death punishment for non virgin women.





22.20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel, (unmarried women)



22.21 then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her fatherís house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die, because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her fatherís house; so shalt thou put evil away from among you.





Or sterilize the men that got them pregnant!
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Muslim men have no respect for Women either!
I would prefer to preface that with the word "some". As with most religious doctrine, not all practice the more extreme interpretations. Disrespect for women is hardly limited to any religion,nationality, or lol rap music. Hell it could be argued that men in general disrespect women. To many men, and it's not a small many, women only exist as sexual objects, and unattractive women don't exist at all.



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Stoning to death punishment for non virgin women.





22.20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel, (unmarried women)



22.21 then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her fatherís house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die, because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her fatherís house; so shalt thou put evil away from among you.





Or sterilize the men that got them pregnant!
Why? Unless it was rape or some other form of forced sex, the decision to have sex is mainly a female one. Especially since the female bears almost all of the repercussions of the act.



While the rules of adultery, fornication, and divorce along with the stigma that used to apply to single parenthood seem unfair, when you look at them from a logical POV, they would prevent the spread of diseases, result in fewer unwanted pregnancies, and create more order. Perhaps if anything, there should be more drastic punishments for males for rape and abusive treatment along with the rules that applied to women. But of course men wrote the rules, so we don't.
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I would prefer to preface that with the word "some". As with most religious doctrine, not all practice the more extreme interpretations. Disrespect for women is hardly limited to any religion,nationality, or lol rap music. Hell it could be argued that men in general disrespect women. To many men, and it's not a small many, women only exist as sexual objects, and unattractive women don't exist at all.



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Why? Unless it was rape or some other form of forced sex, the decision to have sex is mainly a female one. Especially since the female bears almost all of the repercussions of the act.



While the rules of adultery, fornication, and divorce along with the stigma that used to apply to single parenthood seem unfair, when you look at them from a logical POV, they would prevent the spread of diseases, result in fewer unwanted pregnancies, and create more order. Perhaps if anything, there should be more drastic punishments for males for rape and abusive treatment along with the rules that applied to women. But of course men wrote the rules, so we don't.


O.K. I get your take fxashun, male stud, female slut!



The male should think with his other head, why should the so called "repercussions" have to be all the females problem, as you state it is, so she should have a choice!



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O.K. I get your take fxashun, male stud, female slut!
It's not my take, it's simple logic. Kinda like crossing the street. While legally it may be the driver's fault if they hit a pedestrian, in reality, it behooves the person crossing the street to be VERY careful, since literally, they bear the repercussions if something goes wrong. You can't undead someone like medical technology has allowed "unpregnanting".



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The male should think with his other head, why should the so called "repercussions" have to be all the females problem, as you state it is, so she should have a choice!
Morally yes, but literally, were there no birth control or abortion, the woman having sex with a man is always walking across the "sexual street", and she bears a MUCH higher cost of that decision.



Males are studs because we have very little to lose from the encounter other than a couple minutes and a few cc of bodily fluid. There's not much that can change that fact, with rape statistics bearing that out.

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It's not my take, it's simple logic. Kinda like crossing the street. While legally it may be the driver's fault if they hit a pedestrian, in reality, it behooves the person crossing the street to be VERY careful, since literally, they bear the repercussions if something goes wrong. You can't undead someone like medical technology has allowed "unpregnanting".



Morally yes, but literally, were there no birth control or abortion, the woman having sex with a man is always walking across the "sexual street", and she bears a MUCH higher cost of that decision.



Males are studs because we have very little to lose from the encounter other than a couple minutes and a few cc of bodily fluid. There's not much that can change that fact, with rape statistics bearing that out.



But keeping more people alive will eventually lead to more deaths from overcrowding, lack of resources, crime, etc. According to common sense. So it kinda balances itself out.



Back to your quote more people alive, is not the pill and abortion a very pliable scenario compared to full term abortion by poisoning full grown humans to death?
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Back to your quote more people alive, is not the pill and abortion a very pliable scenario compared to full term abortion by poisoning full grown humans to death?
It appears a speculative few million people worldwide over the next 30 years pales in comparison to the number of fetuses aborted on a yearly worldwide basis. Considering the relative ease it would seem to be to avoid unwanted pregnancy, the comparison is rather hard to justify.
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It appears a speculative few million people worldwide over the next 30 years pales in comparison to the number of fetuses aborted on a yearly worldwide basis. Considering the relative ease it would seem to be to avoid unwanted pregnancy, the comparison is rather hard to justify.


Abortion would cut down the need for national health care, sterilizing males would be way cheaper on the tax payer than sterilizing females, world population would decrease and things would be great!
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Abortion would cut down the need for national health care


So would avoiding pregnancy in the first place. And that's free.



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I agree, and that should be the case in cases of rape...forced sex. Hard to justify it otherwise.



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Yup. If only responsible people got pregnant, worldwide, the population would plummet. Quickly. You can avoid pregnancy, no abortion need apply.
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Yup. If only responsible people got pregnant, worldwide, the population would plummet. Quickly. You can avoid pregnancy, no abortion need apply.


Common sense tells us this is a unreal scenario, so to avoid a socialist society abortion must be legal!
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Regardless of how a cleaner environment is managed it will mean nothing if people don't stop eating so much and exercise more. I heard today that diabetes will double in the next decade... wow that should be a wake up call for technology addicts that only exercise their brains.
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What if the American Heart Association endorsed the trans-fat diet? Problem, right? Look at what the American Diabetes Association is spoon-feeding people with diabetes: sugar. Not to worry: We've got the solution right here.

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Common sense tells us this is a unreal scenario, so to avoid a socialist society abortion must be legal!
Just as your link admits the rather futile effort to rid the world of fossil fuel emissions. Telling people not to drive cars or burn coal or methane is like telling people not to screw with abandon. Abortion has very little to do with "socialism". It's only a medical procedure. The only medical procedure devised with the sole intent to end what is essentially a human life.



The figures are also based on the world making dramatic changes in daily life that may at first seem too hard and costly to do, researchers conceded.



Kinda like telling those who are most likely to need abortions or have unwanted pregnancies to "quit screwing" or at least be more careful about it.
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