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Old May 1st, 2010, 07:57 AM   #1
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Too bad it wasn't Haiti's Oil Rig

Obama leaped all over the earthquake in Haiti (as he should have) and I wish he had been as excited about the US environment as he was about Haiti.



Obama's black favoritism shows. Compare the response to the Chile earthquake with that of the Haiti earthquake. Personally, I don't have a problem with it, but it's there. You can't attend Rev. Wright's church for years and then suddenly say "well, I'm not that way."



More importantly, it shows that the feds, with the exception of the military, cannot respond quicklly to anything. I blasted Obama's response because he had so much fun blasting Bush's response. In reality, Katrina wasn't Bush's response, this isn't Obama's response. It is all about a federal bureaucracy that cannot quickly respond to anything.
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 07:14 AM   #2
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The reality is that the federal government is not prepeared for this type of incident. It has nothing to do with politics or blacks and whites or who favors one group over the other. I understand your anger and wish that this didn't happen, but it isn't the government's fault that BP doesn't know how to deal efffectively with this disaster either. The government is doing what it can at this point and couldn't have done anything other than it has done.



And while Katrina was a failure of local government, it certainly was Bush's federal failure as well. To say otherwise is just false.
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The reality is that the federal government is not prepeared for this type of incident. It has nothing to do with politics or blacks and whites or who favors one group over the other. I understand your anger and wish that this didn't happen, but it isn't the government's fault that BP doesn't know how to deal efffectively with this disaster either. The government is doing what it can at this point and couldn't have done anything other than it has done.



And while Katrina was a failure of local government, it certainly was Bush's federal failure as well. To say otherwise is just false.


The feds were slow here, and the Bush feds were slow on Katrina (though I can't figure out the relevance of Bush here but I realize the Obamaphiles will never say that the annointed one screwed something up).



BP and, apparently, Halliburton are at the top of the fault line.
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There is no point of talking about him being the annoited one and saying that his supporters will never say that he has screwed up in relation to this. This wasn't his screw up. I do think that he has screwed up on some things. I just don't see how this is one of them.
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I don't see how someone can blame Bush for Katrina, something that the local government had plenty of warning for and should have been prepared, and yet can't blame Obama for this. When this eventuality should have been prepared for in like fashion.

Obama's hands are at least slightly tarnished considering he had been briefed about something regarding the oil drilling industry if you refer back to that "spills don't generally happen" quote.



I blame niether, but you can't accuse one without implicating the other.
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I don't see how someone can blame Bush for Katrina, something that the local government had plenty of warning for and should have been prepared, and yet can't blame Obama for this. When this eventuality should have been prepared for in like fashion.

Obama's hands are at least slightly tarnished considering he had been briefed about something regarding the oil drilling industry if you refer back to that "spills don't generally happen" quote.



I blame niether, but you can't accuse one without implicating the other.


Can't read again huh? Local government in Louisiana failed, and so did the federal government. Bush is in fact at fault for the lack of timely federal response and for appointing a head of FEMA that didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. And interestingly enough, "Heck of a job Brownie", was on TV this morning criticizing Obama for a delay in helping with this oil rig disaster. Man, it's like being inside of an alternate reality sometimes when these assholes think that they have the right to throw stones after they complete fuck up that they created on their watch.



And Obama was not obviously briefed about something for making that statement. He was preemptively answering criticism from the left of his base for agreeing with offshore drilling when they absolutely wouldn't allow any more of it. Talk about making an assumption based on a statement, pfft.
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Can't read again huh? Local government in Louisiana failed, and so did the federal government. Bush is in fact at fault for the lack of timely federal response and for appointing a head of FEMA that didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. And interestingly enough, "Heck of a job Brownie", was on TV this morning criticizing Obama for a delay in helping with this oil rig disaster. Man, it's like being inside of an alternate reality sometimes when these assholes think that they have the right to throw stones after they complete fuck up that they created on their watch.
I don't think the Federal REsponse to the borader problem was all that delayed. Katrina decimated as far as 20 miles inland and 90 miles of coastline with widespread damage in a much wider swath. I think under the conditions, they did the best they could have done. NO was a problem all to itself, and there were MANY failures there, LONG before Katrina hit that had absolutely nothing to do with the Federal govt.



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And Obama was not obviously briefed about something for making that statement. He was preemptively answering criticism from the left of his base for agreeing with offshore drilling when they absolutely wouldn't allow any more of it. Talk about making an assumption based on a statement, pfft.
Why would you answer criticism by saying something as definitive as he did. Are you saying that Obama was talking out of his ass?

Obama: “Oil Rigs Today Generally Don?t Cause Spills” | FDL News Desk



I'm not making an assumption, Obama made the statement like he knew what he was talking about. So either he was talking out of his ass, or he had been given information that he interpreted as oil rigs being safe.
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I don't think the Federal REsponse to the borader problem was all that delayed. Katrina decimated as far as 20 miles inland and 90 miles of coastline with widespread damage in a much wider swath. I think under the conditions, they did the best they could have done. NO was a problem all to itself, and there were MANY failures there, LONG before Katrina hit that had absolutely nothing to do with the Federal govt.


It doesn't matter if YOU think the federal response was delayed. The concensus is that it was delayed, because it was. I don't have to mention anything about the local response to still be right in saying that the federal response was very delayed. If you want to go by your opinion, well you can THINK whatever you like, but the evidence doesn't support your opinion.



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Why would you answer criticism by saying something as definitive as he did. Are you saying that Obama was talking out of his ass?

Obama: “Oil Rigs Today Generally Don?t Cause Spills” | FDL News Desk



I'm not making an assumption, Obama made the statement like he knew what he was talking about. So either he was talking out of his ass, or he had been given information that he interpreted as oil rigs being safe.






You are absolutely making assumptions by coming to that conclusion. I don't doubt that he lookied into it and spoke to experts about the safety and environmental concerns before he decided to go ahead and expand offshore driling. That is his job, he has to be infromed about what he proposes. That doesn't tarnish his hands at all. We aren't going to end offshore drilling because of this, though we might not expand it now. It is easy to look at the facts and see that our advanced technology should make it safer now. But shit happens that no one could foresee. Though the Bush administration's easing of the oversight and regulations by the Mineral Management Office, could have easily contributed to this. Making a statement about something and then having an accident occur at a rig that was already working before his stement, doesn't tarnish Obama at all. That's just ridiculous. All policitians and presidents talk out of thier asses at times.
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It doesn't matter if YOU think the federal response was delayed. The concensus is that it was delayed, because it was. I don't have to mention anything about the local response to still be right in saying that the federal response was very delayed. If you want to go by your opinion, well you can THINK whatever you like, but the evidence doesn't support your opinion.
The consensus is wrong. The evidence shows that NO screwed itself. The evidence shows that while it could have been better, the Feds did the best that could be expected. New Orleasn was screwed by the local government ineptness far worse than anything the Feds did.



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You are absolutely making assumptions by coming to that conclusion. I don't doubt that he lookied into it and spoke to experts about the safety and environmental concerns before he decided to go ahead and expand offshore driling. That is his job, he has to be infromed about what he proposes.
SO just like I said, he was briefed.



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That doesn't tarnish his hands at all. We aren't going to end offshore drilling because of this, though we might not expand it now. It is easy to look at the facts and see that our advanced technology should make it safer now. But shit happens that no one could foresee. Though the Bush administration's easing of the oversight and regulations by the Mineral Management Office, could have easily contributed to this. Making a statement about something and then having an accident occur at a rig that was already working before his stement, doesn't tarnish Obama at all. That's just ridiculous. All policitians and presidents talk out of thier asses at times.
So you excuse Obama's reaction, even though we agree he should have been briefed, and part of that brief should have included the fact that the preventative methods for this type of accident are prone to failure. And he made the specific claim that "drilling is generally safe". Yet you blame Bush for a localized disaster that the local government has days to prepare for, and years to attempt to alleviate?



Gotcha. I don't see how you can blame one and not the other. That's some f'd up rationalization going on right there.
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The consensus is wrong. The evidence shows that NO screwed itself. The evidence shows that while it could have been better, the Feds did the best that could be expected. New Orleasn was screwed by the local government ineptness far worse than anything the Feds did.



Fema took a very long time to even get anything going there. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything else or local government responsibility. Yes, the federal government failed N.O. and Bush himself said so. Who the hell are you to come to a different conclusion than the man who ran the show?





SO just like I said, he was briefed.



He was briefed about the record for safety for offshore drilling, and what the hell does that have to do with anything or any responsibility he has for this mess? Nothing. What the hell are you even talking about him being briefed for? It only related to future expanded offshore drilling. It doesn' tarnish him on the efforts by the federal government to help now. It simply makes him look wrong about expanding offshore drilling.





So you excuse Obama's reaction, even though we agree he should have been briefed, and part of that brief should have included the fact that the preventative methods for this type of accident are prone to failure. And he made the specific claim that "drilling is generally safe". Yet you blame Bush for a localized disaster that the local government has days to prepare for, and years to attempt to alleviate?



The local government in N.O. couldn't prepare enough for Katrina or alleviate the suffering by itself if it was perfectly ready. And yes, I blame Bush for the lack of timely response to a localized disaster by the federal government. Because he appointed incompetant morons to positions like heading the Federal Emergency Management Agency.



Gotcha. I don't see how you can blame one and not the other. That's some f'd up rationalization going on right there.


And the only effed up thing here, is your inability to think clearly on about every topic you post in.
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