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Old March 13th, 2013, 08:01 PM   #1
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A team of researchers has found that air pollution has reduced dramatically in U.S. National Parks over the last 20 years. Government-sponsored bills, like the Clean Air Act and the Acid Rain Program, have had a major impact.
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A team of researchers has found that air pollution has reduced dramatically in U.S. National Parks over the last 20 years. Government-sponsored bills, like the Clean Air Act and the Acid Rain Program, have had a major impact.
Pollution at National Parks: Then and Now (PHOTOS) | Weather Underground
Those damn regulations. LOL
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america is cleaner in almost every way than 30 to 40 years ago. that's with more people, lots more cars and lots more drive time. still we get nothing from the socialist bent liberals other than destruction and how evil we are. whiners.
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It's because the hippies are getting too old to go out into the woods and fill the air with pot smoke.
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america is cleaner in almost every way than 30 to 40 years ago. that's with more people, lots more cars and lots more drive time. still we get nothing from the socialist bent liberals other than destruction and how evil we are. whiners.
The "we" to whom you refer fought tooth and nail to prevent enactment of the regulations that have resulted in cleaner air and water, and "we" continue the fight today.

The "we" are the whiners.
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america is cleaner in almost every way than 30 to 40 years ago. that's with more people, lots more cars and lots more drive time. still we get nothing from the socialist bent liberals other than destruction and how evil we are. whiners.
Oh, not so fast. Republicans have been going after de-regulation and allowing corporations to pollute more. Ever visited West Virginia and tried the water from the faucet at one of their major MTR sites? Ever try to find the hundred of miles of streams now buried in coal dust and rock?

Republicans have torn down and apart every effort to stop pollution. And they'll continue to do so because their constituents really but into the lies that regulating corporations to no pollute "cuts back" their profits.
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Republicans have torn down and apart every effort to stop pollution. And they'll continue to do so because their constituents really but into the lies that regulating corporations to no pollute "cuts back" their profits.
It is true that many if not most regulations do decrease profit. It is also true that this is often justifiable and needed. Industry needs policemen, and very recent history shows that the financial industry desperately needs regulation. But the asshat politicians being all bought by lobbyists tend to enact eye-candy solutions. And there are lots of harmful regulations being proposed in the mix also.

So again it is a matter of optimizing the cost/benefit in a competent way.

And the fight is on because so often both the economic costs and the quality of life/environmental/ecological costs can't be quantified accurately. Do we over-regulate and hurt our economy or do we under-regulate and doom our kids to a crappy world? Not always an easy answer.
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It is true that many if not most regulations do decrease profit. It is also true that this is often justifiable and needed. Industry needs policemen, and very recent history shows that the financial industry desperately needs regulation. But the asshat politicians being all bought by lobbyists tend to enact eye-candy solutions. And there are lots of harmful regulations being proposed in the mix also.

So again it is a matter of optimizing the cost/benefit in a competent way.

And the fight is on because so often both the economic costs and the quality of life/environmental/ecological costs can't be quantified accurately. Do we over-regulate and hurt our economy or do we under-regulate and doom our kids to a crappy world? Not always an easy answer.
I agree with that. But we need to stop subsidizing our corporations. That makes it a real quick fix. ONLY the brightest will survive the needs of a good environment with a profit, like turning to alternative energies..and the idiots who have been on the welfare dole for their corporations for decades will lose their shirts.
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The Precautionary Principle: If an action or policy has a suspected risk of causing harm to the public or to the environment, in the absence of scientific consensus that the action or policy is harmful, the burden of proof that it is not harmful falls on those taking an act.

That's a future generation-friendly principle.
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I agree with that. But we need to stop subsidizing our corporations. That makes it a real quick fix. ONLY the brightest will survive the needs of a good environment with a profit, like turning to alternative energies..and the idiots who have been on the welfare dole for their corporations for decades will lose their shirts.
I keep hearing about these subsidies to evil corporations, especially oil companies but every time I challenge someone it appears to just be the same taxes as all corporations pay. And that is not a subsidy, like Solyndra and others got from Obama et al, or farmers. That is an actual check.

Another thread I posted on here caused me to discover that currently windfarms are getting cash subsidies that are about to end. Those are read subsidies that distort economic reality.

It appears to me that only "green energy" companies and farmers get subsidies. And we all know how badly Monsanto needs them.
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