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Old February 24th, 2015, 02:39 PM   #1
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Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the much older lady that she should bring her own grocery bags, because plastic bags are not good for the environment.
The woman apologized to the young girl and explained, "We didn't have this 'green thing' back in my earlier days."

The young clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations."

The older lady said that she was right -- our generation didn't have the "green thing" in its day. The older lady went on to explain:
Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled. But we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day.

Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags that we reused for numerous things. Most memorable besides household garbage bags was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books. This was to ensure that public property (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags. But, too bad we didn't do the "green thing" back then.
We walked up stairs because we didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks.

But she was right. We didn't have the "green thing" in our day.

Back then we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the throw away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts. Wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.


But that young lady is right; we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day.
Back then we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana. In the kitchen we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.

But she's right; we didn't have the "green thing" back then.

We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blade in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.

But we didn't have the "green thing" back then.

Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service in the family's $45,000 SUV or van, which cost what a whole house did before the"green thing." We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.

But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the "green thing" back then?

Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smart ass young person.
We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to piss us off. Especially from a tattooed, multiple pierced smartass who can't make change without the cash register telling them how much!!
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Old February 24th, 2015, 10:01 PM   #3
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The reusable cloth bags are logical but I do grab plastic bags once and awhile to pick up after dog.
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A friend of mine who was a radical treehugger claimed that with the killing of trees and the chemicals and energy used in the paper manufacturing process, the plastic was actually greener than paper bags. He was a pretty weird guy so I never bothered checking into it.
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A friend of mine who was a radical treehugger claimed that with the killing of trees and the chemicals and energy used in the paper manufacturing process, the plastic was actually greener than paper bags. He was a pretty weird guy so I never bothered checking into it.
Interesting, acre of grassland removes more CO2 from the atomosphere than an acre of woodland?

So if you cut down forestland , replace it with grassland, would be greener in the long run.

How much methane and is released by Horse manure, we would be using horses if the automobile had not been invented.
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Interesting, acre of grassland removes more CO2 from the atomosphere than an acre of woodland?

So if you cut down forestland , replace it with grassland, would be greener in the long run.

How much methane and is released by Horse manure, we would be using horses if the automobile had not been invented.
That's a mono-dimensional view.

Forests provide shade, help to retain moisture, create habitats for diverse animal and plant species. By slowing snowmelt and by protecting the soil from hard rains, they protect stream quality by preventing erosion. It's nice to be in a forest, plus they photosynthesize CO2 into O2.

Regarding methane:

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Dozens of Mysterious New Craters Found in Siberia

More sinkholes have been spotted by satellite in Siberia, prompting calls for urgent research to confirm what's caused them. One of the large craters, referred to as B2, is surrounded by 20 smaller craters, reported the Siberian Times.

'I would compare this with mushrooms: when you find one mushroom, be sure there are few more around," Professor Bogoyavlensky, deputy director of the Moscow-based Oil and Gas Research Institute, told the Siberian Times. "I suppose there could be 20 to 30 craters more."

Researchers say the craters are likely formed after a gas explosion, but no one has seen what's caused them -- only the result. The crater researchers call B2 is located near one of Russia's largest gas fields.

Last summer, scientists speculated that the craters formed after permafrost melted, collecting under the surface, followed by an explosion of methane gas....
Dozens of Mysterious New Craters Found in Siberia : Discovery News

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Climate-changing methane 'rapidly destabilizing' off East Coast, study finds

A changing Gulf Stream off the East Coast has destabilized frozen methane deposits trapped under nearly 4,000 square miles of seafloor, scientists reported Wednesday. And since methane is even more potent than carbon dioxide as a global warming gas, the researchers said, any large-scale release could have significant climate impacts.

Temperature changes in the Gulf Stream are "rapidly destabilizing methane hydrate along a broad swathe of the North American margin," the experts said in a study published Wednesday in the peer-reviewed journal Nature.

Using seismic records and ocean models, the team estimated that 2.5 gigatonnes of frozen methane hydrate are being destabilized and could separate into methane gas and water.

..."It is unlikely that the western North Atlantic margin is the only area experiencing changing ocean currents," they noted. "Our estimate ... may therefore represent only a fraction of the methane hydrate currently destabilizing globally."
Climate-changing methane 'rapidly destabilizing' off East Coast, study finds - U.S. News
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Subject: The "Green thing"

Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the much older lady that she should bring her own grocery bags, because plastic bags are not good for the environment.
The woman apologized to the young girl and explained, "We didn't have this 'green thing' back in my earlier days."

The young clerk responded, "That's our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations."

The older lady said that she was right -- our generation didn't have the "green thing" in its day. The older lady went on to explain:
Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled. But we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day.

Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags that we reused for numerous things. Most memorable besides household garbage bags was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books. This was to ensure that public property (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags. But, too bad we didn't do the "green thing" back then.
We walked up stairs because we didn't have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn't climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks.

But she was right. We didn't have the "green thing" in our day.

Back then we washed the baby's diapers because we didn't have the throw away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts. Wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.


But that young lady is right; we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day.
Back then we had one TV, or radio, in the house -- not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana. In the kitchen we blended and stirred by hand because we didn't have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn't fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.

But she's right; we didn't have the "green thing" back then.

We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blade in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.

But we didn't have the "green thing" back then.

Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service in the family's $45,000 SUV or van, which cost what a whole house did before the"green thing." We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn't need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.

But isn't it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the "green thing" back then?

Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smart ass young person.
We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to piss us off. Especially from a tattooed, multiple pierced smartass who can't make change without the cash register telling them how much!!
What exactly is your point? We all realize it's not 1955.
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It's one thing to fight major changes due to climate science. It's quite another to hear people whine about reusable cloth bags for shopping instead of plastic bags that end up in our land dumps and waterways. There are too many lazy, irresponsible Americans who refuse to make even the smallest sacrifice in order to offer future generations the environment that we have enjoyed. Now knock yourselves out and delete this post too.
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It's one thing to fight major changes due to climate science. It's quite another to hear people whine about reusable cloth bags for shopping instead of plastic bags that end up in our land dumps and waterways. There are too many lazy, irresponsible Americans who refuse to make even the smallest sacrifice in order to offer future generations the environment that we have enjoyed. Now knock yourselves out and delete this post too.
"Lazy, irresponsible Americans" is not the topic of this thread's OP. The OP recounted some things that used to be, probably before a lot of people here were born, to a time when the term "green" wasn't used, but nevertheless a lot of "green" things were done by people and business.

During the same time, very toxic pesticides were used with abandon, on crops, within and around the homes. Cars were terrible polluters, lotsa unburned hydrocarbons going out of the pipe, but not just hydrocarbons. Lead was added to gasoline. Lead was going out of the pipe too. Industry was creating Love Canals and some of the Great Lakes were toxic to life.

Atomic weapons were being open-air tested. People learned of strontium-90 and cesium 137.

But doors were unlocked and it was great being a kid.
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"Lazy, irresponsible Americans" is not the topic of this thread's OP. The OP recounted some things that used to be, probably before a lot of people here were born, to a time when the term "green" wasn't used, but nevertheless a lot of "green" things were done by people and business.

During the same time, very toxic pesticides were used with abandon, on crops, within and around the homes. Cars were terrible polluters, lotsa unburned hydrocarbons going out of the pipe, but not just hydrocarbons. Lead was added to gasoline. Lead was going out of the pipe too. Industry was creating Love Canals and some of the Great Lakes were toxic to life.

Atomic weapons were being open-air tested. People learned of strontium-90 and cesium 137.

But doors were unlocked and it was great being a kid.
That is true. Pop bottles were glass and returnable. But, we've since become a disposable society. Convenience reigns. I use cloth bags and recycle my glass, plastic cans and paper by way of a city recycling pickup program and it is not really an inconvenience. It seems to me that the same people that whine about the national debt and what it will mean to future generations are the same people that can't sacrifice at all to ensure a decent environment for future generations.
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