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Old December 9th, 2016, 03:08 AM   #61
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Old December 10th, 2016, 06:24 AM   #62
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Hmmmm...why am I not surprised that your reply (above) appears to be a reflection upon the ability you have to substantiate your mere opinions regarding climate change.

The last thing you, or locke, or the rest of the shoe sole libs here deserve is respect.

There's zero evidence that humans affect global climate change. You're too arrogant to accept the facts, so you shitlib on anyone who presents them to you. Then you deflect & play victim when you are treated in kind.
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

First off Einstein did not say this. Second its not a definition of insanity. Its something people keep repeating for some reason. Its stupid.
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 03:12 PM   #64
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Fraud Passed Off as Science

Valid criticism does you a favor. Carl Sagan, Demon Haunted World, p 32
The key word is "valid"!

Your OP has no validity. It is just a ridiculous assortment of denier cult myths, lies and fallacious pseudo-science.

Big huge FAIL!
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Old February 22nd, 2017, 05:05 PM   #65
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There's zero evidence that humans affect global climate change.
There actually is mountains of hard scientific evidence.....enough to convince virtually the entire world scientific community.....you are just too ignorant and not mentally competent enough to comprehend it like the actual scientists do.....so you foolishly swallow the lies and fraudulent propaganda churned out by the stooges for the fossil fuel industry.

In the real world....(just one example out of many)

The American Meteorological Society (AMS) statement adopted by their council in 2012 concluded:

There is unequivocal evidence that Earth's lower atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; sea level is rising; and snow cover, mountain glaciers, and Arctic sea ice are shrinking. The dominant cause of the warming since the 1950s is human activities. This scientific finding is based on a large and persuasive body of research. The observed warming will be irreversible for many years into the future, and even larger temperature increases will occur as greenhouse gases continue to accumulate in the atmosphere. Avoiding this future warming will require a large and rapid reduction in global greenhouse gas emissions. The ongoing warming will increase risks and stresses to human societies, economies, ecosystems, and wildlife through the 21st century and beyond, making it imperative that society respond to a changing climate. To inform decisions on adaptation and mitigation, it is critical that we improve our understanding of the global climate system and our ability to project future climate through continued and improved monitoring and research. This is especially true for smaller (seasonal and regional) scales and weather and climate extremes, and for important hydroclimatic variables such as precipitation and water availability.

Technological, economic, and policy choices in the near future will determine the extent of future impacts of climate change. Science-based decisions are seldom made in a context of absolute certainty. National and international policy discussions should include consideration of the best ways to both adapt to and mitigate climate change. Mitigation will reduce the amount of future climate change and the risk of impacts that are potentially large and dangerous. At the same time, some continued climate change is inevitable, and policy responses should include adaptation to climate change. Prudence dictates extreme care in accounting for our relationship with the only planet known to be capable of sustaining human life.[73] (source - Wikipedia - NOT COPYRIGHTED)
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That is a little too painful to read!
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That is a little too painful to read!
And the kicker is: Methane was not mentioned. Every realistic climate change model must include methane. Granted, factoring in the effects of methane are difficult and for a fact we do not understand exactly the thresholds in the methane clathrate equation.

But we do know that Northern Hemisphere permafrost is melting, and releasing CO2 and CH4. We know that.

Sometimes the future is a little too painful to consider. No problem, though. We're going to make America great again. Just watch.
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And the kicker is: Methane was not mentioned. Every realistic climate change model must include methane. Granted, factoring in the effects of methane are difficult and for a fact we do not understand exactly the thresholds in the methane clathrate equation.

But we do know that Northern Hemisphere permafrost is melting, and releasing CO2 and CH4. We know that.

Sometimes the future is a little too painful to consider. No problem, though. We're going to make America great again. Just watch.
Right! Methane is not a stable gas...at least not in an oxygenated atmosphere, so it lingers for 10 to 100 years...I'm not sure if it can be nailed down too precisely, but it's estimated half of the methane is washed out or sequestered into the soil or rivers, lakes, oceans etc., while the other half remaining in the atmosphere eventualy breaks down with most of the carbon combining with oxygen to from more CO2....which will stay there for centuries or more. So that permafrost and clathrate releases are more than a temporary problem!

And since methane isn't stable, it's impossible to get a handle on what's happening with these positive feedbacks up in the Arctic. Methane levels will vary greatly around the world and from one location to another. That's why the crime of the century could turn out to be the selective budget cuts conservative governments have made here in Canada and the US to the agencies that were monitoring the Arctic and conducting this research. Now, the Arctic researchers are mostly stuck with just getting new data being provided by Russian scientists in Siberia, and the Arctic waters nearby.
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Also, may people don't understand that there are also huge clathrate deposits in non-arctic areas. That is another nasty surprise rising sea temperatures will give us.
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Also, may people don't understand that there are also huge clathrate deposits in non-arctic areas. That is another nasty surprise rising sea temperatures will give us.
Yes, that's also been an unpleasant little surprise of the last few years; it was just assumed that only northern waters would be cold enough to keep methane ice sequestered...and now they're discovering that clathrates can be found at greater depths where high pressure helps lock them in place, in coastal waters further south. So, it's a crapshoot trying to figure out how big the Clathrate Gun problem could potentially be!
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