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Old September 16th, 2016, 09:15 AM   #31
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Sources sited here have all been caught lying repeatedly.
"Caught" by TV weather handwavers paid off by oil companies?

You know nothing of the scientific process and in fact chose to believe charlatans and fools who say what you want to believe.
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Sources sited here have all been caught lying repeatedly.
Yeah, that's one of the ways you insulate yourself when faced with "real facts."

History won't be kind to you and your compatriots.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 09:29 AM   #33
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"Caught" by TV weather handwavers paid off by oil companies?

You know nothing of the scientific process and in fact chose to believe charlatans and fools who say what you want to believe.
You're the one who ran away from an honest discussion of bias.
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You're the one who ran away from an honest discussion of bias.
...so says the person who apparently runs away from providing any evidence whatsoever concerning the claims that he makes, of which is a dishonest act when it comes to discussing said claims.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 09:47 AM   #35
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You're the one who ran away from an honest discussion of bias.
Absolute bullshit. You started spewing meaningless statements and your own definitions of things to the point it became, as usual, pointless to try and reason with you.

There can be bias in interpreting how a person feels after a treatment of some type. But there is absolutely no bias in a thermometer reading. You can't accept that because it would destroy your whole fantasy of evil science having the single purpose of destroying you and everything you love.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 12:43 PM   #36
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Of course this planet has had a wide range of climate. But the suggestion that because the climate has warmed previously without human input, it's silly to think humans can affect the climate, and perhaps affect it dramatically, is false.

It's not silly.

And if the Persian Gulf gets as hot as you're talking about, I'm thinking either the vast methane clathrates have cut loose or else they are just about to. Now, that would be a wild ride.
Persian Gulf temperatures may be at the edge of human tolerance in 30 years | Ars Technica

The Paris accords are a example of what I mean when I say that the lying to push your agenda causes doubt. The Paris accords had only one guarantee. That "rich" nations will transfer wealth to poor nations, with no strings attached to fight global warming. Environmental concerns were used to advance political ideology. Now tell me, why should I just blindly accept that the Western nations produced the carbons that have caused this? Because the people who were funded by governments who support globalization and accept white guilt came out with data that happens to support their political agenda?

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Old September 16th, 2016, 01:28 PM   #37
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Absolute bullshit. You started spewing meaningless statements and your own definitions of things to the point it became, as usual, pointless to try and reason with you.

There can be bias in interpreting how a person feels after a treatment of some type. But there is absolutely no bias in a thermometer reading. You can't accept that because it would destroy your whole fantasy of evil science having the single purpose of destroying you and everything you love.
Where is the thermometer? What time of day is it read? How has aging affected the readings on the thermometer? How tall is the person doing the reading? What development has occurred in the area surrounding the thermometer? What was the cloud cover when the thermometer was read? Was the person doing the reading aware of previous readings taken and of the use the data would be put to?

There is always bias. Only the delusional, deliberately deceptive, or the ignorant would say that there is zero chance of bias.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 02:12 PM   #38
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Where is the thermometer? What time of day is it read? How has aging affected the readings on the thermometer? How tall is the person doing the reading? What development has occurred in the area surrounding the thermometer? What was the cloud cover when the thermometer was read? Was the person doing the reading aware of previous readings taken and of the use the data would be put to?

There is always bias. Only the delusional, deliberately deceptive, or the ignorant would say that there is zero chance of bias.
See, you know nothing. Those aren't examples of bias. Those are examples of experimental error. Which is one of the many reasons real scientists repeat their measurements multiple times and other groups duplicate the work.
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Persian Gulf temperatures may be at the edge of human tolerance in 30 years | Ars Technica

The Paris accords are a example of what I mean when I say that the lying to push your agenda causes doubt. The Paris accords had only one guarantee. That "rich" nations will transfer wealth to poor nations, with no strings attached to fight global warming. Environmental concerns were used to advance political ideology. Now tell me, why should I just blindly accept that the Western nations produced the carbons that have caused this? Because the people who were funded by governments who support globalization and accept white guilt came out with data that happens to support their political agenda?

Why the Paris climate deal is meaningless ? POLITICO
It's not my agenda. It's humankind's agenda.

The Western nations indeed initially drove the increases in CO2 levels simply because the Western nations led the world in industrialization for a long time. Now, China tops the CO2 emissions chart, while we have cut our CO2 output. Feels pretty good to me.
To what data are you referring?

On a much more philosophical note, I don't think the vast, global discrepancies of wealth, created primarily by capitalism, are sustainable.

White guilt doesn't fit into this discussion at all.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 03:15 PM   #40
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See, you know nothing. Those aren't examples of bias. Those are examples of experimental error. Which is one of the many reasons real scientists repeat their measurements multiple times and other groups duplicate the work.
Observer expectancy effect....


I find it easier just to say bias.
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