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Old November 24th, 2016, 05:40 PM   #31
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Except in the graph that is linked, the error line is way below the data lines. Unlike your piece of shit. Where did you get your graph and what are the axis. Even if temps are 0-10°C and the axis for corrections is 0 - 0.1°C I still wouldn't believe it since the error line is increasing so strongly, which is not born out in the real graph.

Unless you can find a real link, turd nuggets rule your mind.
You're funny because you knee jerk react to everything and then when you inevitably are shown you are wrong you just quietly slink off to anther thread and knee jerk react to that thread. Very entertaining for me.

Don't worry, Trump and Congress will sort it all out for you soon. The days of Global warming lying are over.
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Old November 24th, 2016, 05:59 PM   #32
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Look at the last 15 years of the data on the graph. The adjusts made by the NOAA especial at the end of the graph are big adjustment indicating warmer temperatures. Congress wants to know why and how these "adjustments" are made. The data is "adjusted" so that there is no 15 year pause in any warming. How convenient. The communications and other data sources are being refused to be turned over to Congress. These are public records. They have no right to refuse access to them.
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John Abraham Wednesday 11 November 2015 06.00 EST


Apparently eager to ride the coattails of Vin Diesel’s new movie, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) seems intent on taking up the mantle of Witch Hunter by harassing the scientists at NOAA. These scientists published a study that joined a growing body of research debunking the supposed “pause” in warming, a trope regularly trotted out by deniers looking to argue against climate action.

In his capacity as Chair of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, Smith has demanded a number of documents from NOAA and threatened them with prosecution if they don’t comply. He’s asking for the data and methods related to the study itself, which doesn’t sound too unreasonable at first. But when you learn that this information is already public, it seems odd that he would want to waste his and the scientists’ time demanding information that anyone with an internet connection can freely access.

Another odd factor is that NOAA scientists already took time out of their busy schedules of doing actual science to personally explain the study to Smith. But all this wasn’t enough for him, so he is also demanding all the scientists’ study-related email correspondence. Smith is spending all this time, energy, and taxpayer money to chase these scientists around because he is a conspiracy theorist, and has publicly espoused the belief that scientists are deliberately manipulating the temperature record to manufacture the climate crisis. This unusual position might be related to the massive quantities of oil and gas industry funding that he receives—in 2014; Smith got more money from fossil fuels than he did from any other industry.

For those that have been entrenched in the climate issue for some years, this will sound familiar. In fact, it’s almost identical to a situation faced by Dr. Michael Mann, in which a politician in a position of power took issue with science that disproved a pet climate denial myth. As a result, this politician, Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, retaliated by going on what the Washington Post editorial board described as a “Climate Change Witch Hunt.”

So let’s hope that, like in Dr. Mann’s case, the politician abusing his power isn’t humored with compliance. Because if the emails are released, we might have to live through another fake scandal. In fact, in a column in the Wall Street Journal, Holman Jenkins Jr. more or less admits that this is the denial industry’s strategy in his latest piece, in which he “just asks the question” if this is “The Next Climate Scandal?”

As the world neared the Copenhagen negotiations, conservative pundits took hacked emails from climate scientists, twisted words, truncated quotes and successfully manufactured a scandal. In the months afterwards, there were no less than nine investigations, and each and every one showed that the scientists did nothing wrong. Now, as we approach the major climate talks taking place in Paris at the end of this month, the same people are turning to this page out of the denier playbook.

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https://www.theguardian.com/environm...t-witch-hunter
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You can't read a graph. It the last 15 years that is in question. The fake data given makes the last 15 years look like its heating up even though the actual data shows none. Its fudged data. Congress wants the rest of the data and the communications to get to the bottom of why the data has been made up like it has been.





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Old November 24th, 2016, 06:14 PM   #34
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I'm glad you found that gif.

Could you please ask Stony what the axis on his graph are and where he got it from.
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The "Realists" you call them, are taking temperature readings by thermometer in areas of the world where they have no thermometers.
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The "Realists" you call them, are taking temperature readings by thermometer in areas of the world where they have no thermometers.
Hey, Stonehead. In 1957 something called a satellite was invented.

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You're funny because you knee jerk react to everything and then when you inevitably are shown you are wrong you just quietly slink off to anther thread and knee jerk react to that thread. Very entertaining for me.

Don't worry, Trump and Congress will sort it all out for you soon. The days of Global warming lying are over.
Tell RNG that there are two axis, X and Y that you use to solve Z.
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The "Realists" you call them, are taking temperature readings by thermometer in areas of the world where they have no thermometers.
Actually, mathematically interpolating data points with initially unknown values between data points with known values is a process that is utilized in numerous areas of research and applied science. Indeed, it's utilized whenever finite element analysis is implemented when modeling physical phenomena such as heat transfer when certain boundary conditions are known and yet internal data point values are unknown and are determined by solving a set of simultaneous equations. And, a more simpler application to understand is when surveyors take elevations of an area they are surveying and fill in the rest of the unknown data points to produce a topographic map of said area by means of interpolating between the data points that had been taken in the field. And, in laymans terms, this interpolation is the equivalent of watching an older low resolution DVD movie thru the use of a high resolution Blueray disc player and high definition TV. Certainly, the image of such a movie could appear slightly sharper and slightly more accurate on a high definition TV if that older low resolution DVD movie was originally mastered for and put on a high definition Blueray disc. But, the TV image in this low resolution movie played thru high resolution equipment scenario is still sharp enough and accurate enough to make the movie watchable to an audience.




(And, of course, there are multiple lines of evidence besides surface instrument temperatures which quite clearly demonstrate a globally warming Earth surface and lower troposphere.)

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I'm glad you found that gif.

Could you please ask Stony what the axis on his graph are and where he got it from.
Clearly, justoneman should explain why he chose to point out the last fifteen years of that graph I posted when he hasn't first demonstrated that fifteen years is an adequate length of time to determine a statistically significant trend in that period and resolution of data, as it seems that horizontal red line on that altered graph is supposedly displaying.

Indeed, the typically used period of time among climate scientists is around 30 to 35 years or so due to the inherent variability of that sort of data.

(Maybe he's fond of cherries?)

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Actually, mathematically interpolating data points with initially unknown values between data points with known values is a process that is utilized in numerous areas of research and applied science. Indeed, it's utilized whenever finite element analysis is implemented when modeling physical phenomena such as heat transfer when certain boundary conditions are known and yet internal data point values are unknown and are determined by solving a set of simultaneous equations. And, a more simpler application to understand is when surveyors take elevations of an area they are surveying and fill in the rest of the unknown data points to produce a topographic map of said area by means of interpolating between the data points that had been taken in the field. And, in laymans terms, this interpolation is the equivalent of watching an older low resolution DVD movie thru the use of a high resolution Blueray disc player and high definition TV. Certainly, the image of such a movie could appear slightly sharper and slightly more accurate on a high definition TV if that older low resolution DVD movie was originally mastered for and put on a high definition Blueray disc. But, the TV image in this low resolution movie played thru high resolution equipment scenario is still sharp enough and accurate enough to make the movie watchable to an audience.




(And, of course, there are multiple lines of evidence besides surface instrument temperatures which quite clearly demonstrate a globally warming Earth surface and lower troposphere.)
Ahh so you are an expert. What is your specific education on climate and weather systems?
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