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Old November 23rd, 2016, 10:16 AM   #1
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Trump to scrap Nasa climate research in crackdown on ‘politicized science’

This, IMO is a terrible start to the PGIC's term.

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Nasa’s Earth science division is set to be stripped of funding as the president-elect seeks to shift focus away from home in favor of deep space exploration

Donald Trump is poised to eliminate all climate change research conducted by Nasa as part of a crackdown on “politicized science”, his senior adviser on issues relating to the space agency has said.

Nasa’s Earth science division is set to be stripped of funding in favor of exploration of deep space, with the president-elect having set a goal during the campaign to explore the entire solar system by the end of the century.
Just as a reminder, from the bill creating NASA (emphasis is mine):

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(d) OBJECTIVES OF AERONAUTICAL AND SPACE ACTIVITIES.—The
aeronautical and space activities of the United States shall be
conducted so as to contribute materially to one or more of the
following objectives:
(1) The expansion of human knowledge of the Earth and
of phenomena in the atmosphere
and space.
(2) The improvement of the usefulness, performance, speed,
safety, and efficiency of aeronautical and space vehicles.
(3) The development and operation of vehicles capable of
carrying instruments, equipment, supplies, and living organisms
through space.
(4) The establishment of long-range studies of the potential
benefits to be gained from, the opportunities for, and the problems
involved in the utilization of aeronautical
and space activities
for peaceful and scientific purposes.
(5) The preservation of the role of the United States as
a leader in aeronautical
and space science and technology and
in the application thereof to the conduct of peaceful activities
within and outside the atmosphere.
(6) The making available to agencies directly concerned with
national defense of discoveries that have military value or
significance, and the furnishing by such agencies, to the civilian
agency established to direct and control nonmilitary aeronautical
and space activities, of information as to discoveries
which have value or significance to that agency.
(7) Cooperation by the United States with other nations
and groups of nations in work done pursuant to this chapter
and in the peaceful application of the results thereof.
( The most effective utilization of the scientific and
engineering resources of the United States, with close cooperation
among all interested agencies of the United States in
order to avoid unnecessary duplication of effort, facilities, and
equipment.
(9) The preservation of the United States preeminent position
in aeronautics and space through research and technology
development related to associated manufacturing processes.
And, as a reminder, there ain't all that much air in outer space.

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Aeronautics - (from the ancient Greek words ὰήρ āēr, which means "air", and ναυτική nautikē which means "navigation", i.e. "navigation into the air") is the science or art involved with the study, design, and manufacturing of air flight capable machines, and the techniques of operating aircraft and rockets within the atmosphere. The British Royal Aeronautical Society identifies the aspects of "aeronautical Art, Science and Engineering" and "the profession of Aeronautics (which expression includes Astronautics)."
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Old November 24th, 2016, 01:32 AM   #2
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If you ask me, if NASA wants to gain knowledge about how to explore and gather an understanding of other planets, there is no place better to build up that knowledgebase than to explore and understand planet Earth first, or at least at the same time.

For example, the notion that Mars once had substantial amounts of water and thus possibly life and the knowledge of the potential composition of Mars soil in order to successfully land and operate a probe on Mars had both come from our own understanding of desert areas of Earth. And, without that understanding of Earth's deserts, a Mars rover that would be able to successfully land, move around on, and know what to look for through on-board experiments might not have been possible.

So, I think directing NASA away from doing at least some Earth-centric exploration could have serious detrimental repercussions on the exploration of and the ability to understand worlds outside planet Earth.
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Why are earthlings fixated on colonising mars. It is the most unhospitable place in our solar system. I will tell you why. It has solid ground and it is the furthest planet from earth that current studies can find. It has no oxygen, and temperatures very Between 800 below zero and 1200 above zero.
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Science is fkn mental if it thinks it can colonise mars.
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..Nasa’s Earth science division is set to be stripped of funding as the president-elect seeks to shift focus away from home in favor of deep space exploration

Donald Trump is poised to eliminate all climate change research conducted by Nasa as part of a crackdown on “politicized science”, his senior adviser on issues relating to the space agency has said.

Nasa’s Earth science division is set to be stripped of funding in favor of exploration of deep space, with the president-elect having set a goal during the campaign to explore the entire solar system by the end of the century. ..
Is this a quote from somewhere? Link please.
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This would be great news for science. I hope its true.
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for example: The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has refused to comply with lawmakers’ attempts to subpoena internal communications relating to a recent climate-change study by its scientists. Why are they refusing to give their data? Science is supposed to be about getting to the truth not hiding data. It is the very essence of science to have review of data, to publish data in order to corroborate by review the findings. People hide data because the data is fudged.

That is another government agency to has totally politicized science. This kind of voodoo science needs to end. We need to get back to real scientific methodology.
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Why are earthlings fixated on colonising mars. It is the most unhospitable place in our solar system. I will tell you why. It has solid ground and it is the furthest planet from earth that current studies can find. It has no oxygen, and temperatures very Between 800 below zero and 1200 above zero.
You are completely wrong, except for the solid ground part. In fact, the characteristics you listed don't apply to any planet in our solar system.
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for example: The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has refused to comply with lawmakers’ attempts to subpoena internal communications relating to a recent climate-change study by its scientists. Why are they refusing to give their data? Science is supposed to be about getting to the truth not hiding data. It is the very essence of science to have review of data, to publish data in order to corroborate by review the findings. People hide data because the data is fudged.

That is another government agency to has totally politicized science. This kind of voodoo science needs to end. We need to get back to real scientific methodology.
Wrong. What we need is to remove lawmakers from science.

Lawmakers aren't qualified to review data, or make any decisions regarding the review of that or any data.

Being an elected clown from some district as a lawmaker, doesn't make you qualified for anything.

NASA was created as an independent agency for the purpose it serves.

Only lawmakers can politicize it, and should not be under any scrutiny from any of those assclowns.

The only thing those knownothings need to concern themselves with is how much, and when to cut the check, for that independent agency of scientists, that don't need their input for anything, to be able to do their jobs, and not be restricted by a bunch of know nothing, assclown lawmakers.
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Wrong. What we need is to remove lawmakers from science.

Lawmakers aren't qualified to review data, or make any decisions regarding the review of that or any data.

Being an elected clown from some district as a lawmaker, doesn't make you qualified for anything.

NASA was created as an independent agency for the purpose it serves.

Only lawmakers can politicize it, and should not be under any scrutiny from any of those assclowns.

The only thing those knownothings need to concern themselves with is how much, and when to cut the check, for that independent agency of scientists, that don't need their input for anything, to be able to do their jobs, and not be restricted by a bunch of know nothing, assclown lawmakers.
You are wrong. The data is not supposed to be a secret from anybody. Every person is supposed to be able to look at the data. That is real science.
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